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Former England managers Terry Venables and Steve McClaren are locked in a battle to become the new director of football at Sheffield United, while Graham Taylor is also in with a shout.
With the greatest respect to Sheffield Utd, I'm surprised that they haven't set their sights a little higher or am I missing something?
wednesday4life
11-03-2008, 16:27
Former England managers Terry Venables and Steve McClaren are locked in a battle to become the new director of football at Sheffield United, while Graham Taylor is also in with a shout.
With the greatest respect to Sheffield Utd, I'm surprised that they haven't set their sights a little higher or am I missing something?thats as high as they can get- noone else will touch them after the way the car-parkers treat robson
Middlesbrough No1 Fan
11-03-2008, 17:07
Former England managers Terry Venables and Steve McClaren are locked in a battle to become the new director of football at Sheffield United, while Graham Taylor is also in with a shout.
With the greatest respect to Sheffield Utd, I'm surprised that they haven't set their sights a little higher or am I missing something?
little higher? as much as i dont like Mclaren he guided us to our first trophy and europe. hed be very good for a championship team.
little higher? as much as i dont like Mclaren he guided us to our first trophy and europe. hed be very good for a championship team.
The biggest mistake McClown down was take on the England job............but i also feel he needs to go back to the basics of managerment so taking on this role wont help him or Sheffield.
wednesday4life
09-05-2008, 12:29
although, lets face it, no role at sheffield united fc will help sheffield fc
Im not so sure he cant do much worst than robbo.
But the point is, don't you think that McClaren and Venables with their pedigree and experience would be looking for something a little more prestigious?
superally
09-05-2008, 14:07
But the point is, don't you think that McClaren and Venables with their pedigree and experience would be looking for something a little more prestigious?
I think at their age.their looking for viaara just to stop them p1ssing on their shoes.:nod
But the point is, don't you think that McClaren and Venables with their pedigree and experience would be looking for something a little more prestigious?
I think the problem for McClaren is that after kind of washing out as the England manager he sullied his reputation. The bigger clubs are looking for someone they believe can bring them championships -- either someone who has done it in the past of someone who is coming up and seems to have that potential. I don't see McClaren in either of those categories, so I think he needs to prove himself again at a smaller club.
As for Venables, I think his age works against him and the fact that he hasn't had a lot of success for the past decade or so.
Spot on mate . you have a great knowelged on english football.
wednesday4life
09-05-2008, 14:53
everyone is aware this is a 2 month old thread and nothing is going to happen about it?
Spot on mate . you have a great knowelged on english football.
Thanks Anton! :thup
everyone is aware this is a 2 month old thread and nothing is going to happen about it?
True enough. I think the larger point is still valid though. I don't think either could realistically expect to be hired by a club at mid-table or higher in the Premiership.
wednesday4life
09-05-2008, 17:34
i'm not saying they could- its just that this thread was dead then came back with people seemingly discussing the pigs and them again
Oh well something to talk about as the season closes. :thup
I can take on board everything that everybody's said about this because after all, it's a matter of opinion. I see your point Zaphod and yours also W4L.
Perhaps the point is, althought both have had high profile jobs, neither has been particularly successful.
i'm not saying they could- its just that this thread was dead then came back with people seemingly discussing the pigs and them again
Well, it was a new thread and a new topic to me. And if you thought it was stupid to continue discussing it, why did you make a comment about the subject and re-involve yourself in the conversation before complaining that it was a thread that should have been left dead?
I can take on board everything that everybody's said about this because after all, it's a matter of opinion. I see your point Zaphod and yours also W4L.
Perhaps the point is, althought both have had high profile jobs, neither has been particularly successful.
You are correct, sir. :thup
i didn't make a comment about the subject- i made a comment pointing out a school-boy error
It was still a comment. And, in fact, it was not only part of the conversation, but it did make mention of the club in question, so therefore it was, technically, a comment about the subject.
And, since you seem eager to point out technicalities, I should point out that you were actually in error when you pointed out the alleged error. Nobody had actually mentioned Sheffield FC. You were the only one who wrote those words (until now, of course). The post you were referring to in your alleged "correction" merely mentioned "Sheffield." Everyone else in the thread had enough common sense to understand what club the poster was talking about since the original post was about Sheffield United. :icon_mrgr:
wednesday4life
13-05-2008, 17:03
any mention of sheffield as a club and not a city refers to sheffield fc- there is only one club who can ever be reffered to as sheffield. much like wednesday can only ever refer to one club
the post in its entirity was the correction of the school-boy error and not an addition to the discussion
any mention of sheffield as a club and not a city refers to sheffield fc- there is only one club who can ever be reffered to as sheffield. much like wednesday can only ever refer to one club
the post in its entirity was the correction of the school-boy error and not an addition to the discussion
1. Regardless of your intent, you still commented in this thread well before your decision to complain that it should have been left dead. If it were so important to you that the subject no be discussed, why didn't you mention it when you pointed out this so-called error?
2. You don't want to argue with me about the English language. I'm a professional. Once a subject is established (in this case, Sheffield United) it is perfectly acceptable to make a shortened, understood reference to the subject. For instance, if I'm talking about the New York Yankees, I don't have to repeat "New York Yankees" every time to distinguish them from the New York Mets. In this case, Sheffield was sufficient because everyone -- except you, apparently -- understood the subject being discussed. And considering that you were the only one who was unable to deduce that the reference was to Sheffield United, you might want to re-think your attitude of superiority. :peck:
wednesday4life
13-05-2008, 18:43
a shortened version of sheffield united can only be placed as united, blunts, pigs, blades- never sheffield. sheffield is an entirely different commodity, not a shortened version of anything
the minute sheffield is mentioned on it's own then you have either changed the subject of the discussion to the city of sheffield or to the club sheffield
anyone understanding sheffield as being a reference to the streaky bacon (another way of shortening it) is wrong as well
If i get banned , so be it , at least i wont cry in my mams tit and **** myself again for the 20th time tonight .
a shortened version of sheffield united can only be placed as united, blunts, pigs, blades- never sheffield. sheffield is an entirely different commodity, not a shortened version of anything
the minute sheffield is mentioned on it's own then you have either changed the subject of the discussion to the city of sheffield or to the club sheffield
anyone understanding sheffield as being a reference to the streaky bacon (another way of shortening it) is wrong as well
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and you're only digging more of a hole for yourself. You were the only one without the intellectual capacity to understand that the poster was referring to the club that was the subject at hand. Your childish attempts to demonstrate that you are superior to everyone else only reveal your own inferiority complex. Trying to set your own grammar rules won't help.
Also, I must assume that you either didn't advance to university or are a dropout since you keep referring to a "schoolboy error." If you are, as your profile says, 20 years old, then you are either a schoolboy yourself or -- and your comments seem to reveal this to be the case -- you should be. :icon_mrgr:
wednesday4life
13-05-2008, 21:06
sorry pal, you are wrong
talking football sheffield can refer to only one team- you cannot ever use it as an abbreviation of any other- therefore you say sheffield, whether intended as an abbreviation or not, it means sheffield, as in sheffield fc, as in a different team as in a change of the subject
the post was wrong and you trying to justify it are wrong
just to make this really simple- any football conversation using the word sheffield, can only refer to the team sheffield
sorry pal, you are wrong
talking football sheffield can refer to only one team- you cannot ever use it as an abbreviation of any other- therefore you say sheffield, whether intended as an abbreviation or not, it means sheffield, as in sheffield fc, as in a different team as in a change of the subject
the post was wrong and you trying to justify it are wrong
just to make this really simple- any football conversation using the word sheffield, can only refer to the team sheffield
Regardless of your high opinion of yourself, you don't make up the rules of English grammar. The official names of the respective clubs are completely irrelevant. The subject was not changed, therefore the poster was referring to the club that was the subject of the thread. It would take a person with extraordinarily low intelligence to become as confused as you seem to be.
Also, if it were true that, as you claim, "any football conversation using the word sheffield, can only refer to the team sheffield," then it would actually be very difficult to discuss either Sheffield United or Sheffield Wednesday because both of those clubs' names contain the word Sheffield (which, according to you, can only be used when referring to Sheffield FC). So, if you are correct, any time I say "Sheffield Wednesday," I would naturally be referring to Sheffield FC because I used the word "Sheffield."
Or would you prefer to chalk your sentence up to a "schoolboy error." :laugh
wednesday4life
13-05-2008, 21:21
you talk about intelligence and then ignore that "sheffield" and "sheffield wednesday/united" is not the same
the subject is changed simply by using sheffield on it's own- new team, new subject. simply saying "sheffield" does that, much the same as saying someone elses name changes the subject
only someone of really low intelligence would deny that and use sheffield as an abbreviation
you talk about intelligence and then ignore that "sheffield" and "sheffield wednesday/united" is not the same
the subject is changed simply by using sheffield on it's own- new team, new subject. simply saying "sheffield" does that, much the same as saying someone elses name changes the subject
only someone of really low intelligence would deny that and use sheffield as an abbreviation
But you just said yourself that...
just to make this really simple- any football conversation using the word sheffield, can only refer to the team sheffield
So if that's the case, how can you possibly be speaking of Sheffield Wednesday when you say "Sheffield Wednesday?" If you say "Sheffield Wednesday" then, according to what you said in that sentence, you are speaking of Sheffield FC (since you already made it clear that just saying Sheffield, in your opinion, means Sheffield FC and can't mean anything else).
Sorry, but you just hung yourself with that sentence. You can't win because I have you on a technicality of your own making. And that's exactly what you were trying to do to prove your superiority over everyone else. Even though anyone with half a brain or more would know it was obvious that the poster you were berating was talking about Sheffield United (the team that was the subject of the conversation), you thought you could show everyone how smart you were by trying to make the poster look foolish. But you only succeeded in making yourself look foolish.
wednesday4life
13-05-2008, 21:33
1 thing- i said saying sheffield, not saying sheffield wednesday. get it yet
saying sheffield changes the subject
or are you denying that using someone elses name is changing the subject
anyone with a brain realises that sheffield cannot refer to other sheffield clubs and therefore wouldn't use it- it takes a really stupid person to do this in the first place, and an even less intelligent one to try and defend it (because, sheffield becomes the subject as soon as it is used on its own)
Simonutd
13-05-2008, 21:41
I have deleted 10 posts which have nothing to do with the thread there are more, but they dont have the swearing in, if a mod wants to delete others feel free to do so,
Can we please treat each other with respect, if you dont like something please argue it over PM, if you cant settle it talk to a member of staff to sort it, and if you dont like a post please report it, but if we read it and think your just as bad replying with the same sort of attitude you will get a warning as well
Thanks
The Staff Of MFF
rooferdave
13-05-2008, 21:43
I have deleted 10 posts which have nothing to do with the thread there are more, but they dont have the swearing in, if a mod wants to delete others feel free to do so,
Can we please treat each other with respect, if you dont like something please argue it over PM, if you cant settle it talk to a member of staff to sort it, and if you dont like a post please report it, but if we read it and think your just as bad replying with the same sort of attitude you will get a warning as well
Thanks
The Staff Of MFF
ABOUT FOOKING TIME TO
WELL DONE SIMON.:thup:thup:thup:thup
Simonutd
13-05-2008, 21:46
ABOUT FOOKING TIME TO
WELL DONE SIMON.:thup:thup:thup:thup
Craig was the one, who gave out the warnings and calmed it down, think he was busy at the timw so i just deleted the posts now
rooferdave
13-05-2008, 21:50
Craig was the one, who gave out the warnings and calmed it down, think he was busy at the timw so i just deleted the posts now
Well done anyway to both youself and craig.:thup
Middlesbrough No1 Fan
13-05-2008, 21:52
I have deleted 10 posts which have nothing to do with the thread there are more, but they dont have the swearing in, if a mod wants to delete others feel free to do so,
Can we please treat each other with respect, if you dont like something please argue it over PM, if you cant settle it talk to a member of staff to sort it, and if you dont like a post please report it, but if we read it and think your just as bad replying with the same sort of attitude you will get a warning as well
Thanks
The Staff Of MFF
agreed its pathetic. if it continue it wont be just the posts i will be deleting. so please give it a rest
In my original post I referred to, and only to, Sheffield United. Surely, any consequent reference to the subject with the word Sheffield included, must mean Sheffield United.
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 09:44
sheffield can not ever refer to any club other than sheffield, ever
like everything else, a new name added changes the subject of the sentence and sheffield is a new name
it's extremely annoying when people outside sheffield (and they are always from outside sheffield) refer to other clubs as sheffield
sheffield can not ever refer to any club other than sheffield, ever
like everything else, a new name added changes the subject of the sentence and sheffield is a new name
it's extremely annoying when people outside sheffield (and they are always from outside sheffield) refer to other clubs as sheffield
But if we had been talking about Tottenham and later someone referred to them as 'the London club', would that have been OK?
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 16:48
who the hell refers to spurs, arsenil, west ham, qpr, or any other london club as "london"?
who the hell refers to spurs, arsenil, west ham, qpr, or any other london club as "london"?
Why are you always so angry about everything!? Just calm down and enjoy the forum.
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 16:57
there's no anger in that
You've missed the point. If the discussion is about Tottenham, and only Tottenham, and someone makes a comment like "well I think the London club will do well in the cup this season" then that remark can only be meant for Tottenham. The same applies when we are talking about Sheffield United and someome remarks about "the Sheffield club", it can only mean they are talking about Sheffield United.
Black Swan
14-05-2008, 17:04
Blackwell is doing a great job with Sheffield, they must be contenders for promotion to the Prem next season:thup
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 17:04
noone mentioned "the sheffield club"- thast one major point there
now, who refers to any london club as "london"?
and knowing noone does that why do people insist on referring to sheffield clubs other than sheffield as "sheffield"
in fact, other than idiots, who says the london club?
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 17:05
Blackwell is doing a great job with Sheffield, they must be contenders for promotion to the Prem next season:thup
blackwell is playing the same long-ball **** that went some way to getting you relegated, somehow doesn't seem like results will last
there's no anger in that
Maybe its just me then. To me you rarely engage people instead your insistence on arguing everything, even minor (dare I say petty) points to the bitter death leads me to picture you as an angry person. Perhaps the forum is just somehwere for you to vent your frustrations.
Black Swan
14-05-2008, 17:19
Miss Jones, I am sure there are others on the forum that would engage with you in constructive banter - we could touch the clouds together whilst discussing the sparkle in your eyes and the happiness in your smile.
Leave the bitterness to others that court bitterness:thup
Miss Jones, I am sure there are others on the forum that would engage with you in constructive banter - we could touch the clouds together whilst discussing the sparkle in your eyes and the happiness in your smile.
Leave the bitterness to others that court bitterness:thup
Ok! I shall not mention it again.:thup
1 thing- i said saying sheffield, not saying sheffield wednesday. get it yet
saying sheffield changes the subject
or are you denying that using someone elses name is changing the subject
anyone with a brain realises that sheffield cannot refer to other sheffield clubs and therefore wouldn't use it- it takes a really stupid person to do this in the first place, and an even less intelligent one to try and defend it (because, sheffield becomes the subject as soon as it is used on its own)
But that's not what you said in this sentence:
just to make this really simple- any football conversation using the word sheffield, can only refer to the team sheffield
According to that sentence, any mention of the word "Sheffield" at all in a football conversation can only refer to the team "Sheffield FC." You're the one who said it. So if that's the case, it doesn't matter whether or not I add the word "Wednesday" or the word "United" because it still must refer to Sheffield FC because I used the word "Sheffield." You said nothing in this sentence about the word being used alone or in combination with others. You merely said any use of the word. Saying Sheffield Wednesday is using the word, so according to you, saying Sheffield Wednesday must be referring to Sheffield FC. Don't you see? You're the one who said it. And if you can't expect people to understand that someone simply saying "Sheffield" in a conversation about Sheffield United was meant to refer to Sheffield United, then surely you can't expect people to make a connection between that sentence and anything you might have said previously. See? :tt2:
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 18:35
you are one anoying clueless tosser and i can't be arsed to point out the obvious anymore
well, maybe one more time- saying someone elses name (in this case sheffield) changes the subject of a setence. FACT
kate_WWFC
14-05-2008, 18:56
What a pointless thing to argue about
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 18:58
what, don't you like the english language, or is it just you don't mind people making a fool of themselves by referring to the wrong team?
noone mentioned "the sheffield club"- thast one major point there
now, who refers to any london club as "london"?
and knowing noone does that why do people insist on referring to sheffield clubs other than sheffield as "sheffield"
in fact, other than idiots, who says the london club?
There's a huge difference here that seems to escape you. None of the major London clubs have the word "London" in their club name. It's not London Arsenal FC or London Chelsea FC or London Tottenham Hotspur FC or London West Ham FC. But the Sheffield clubs do have the city's name as part of their official club name. That makes it perfectly acceptable during the course of a conversation about one of the Sheffield clubs to use the city name as an understood reference to the club that is the subject of the conversation.
you are one anoying clueless tosser and i can't be arsed to point out the obvious anymore
well, maybe one more time- saying someone elses name (in this case sheffield) changes the subject of a setence. FACT
Then how do you know that when I say "Sheffield" I'm not talking about the Sheffield, Alabama, high school soccer team (the Sheffield Bulldogs)?
Again, you're waging a losing battle here when you try to argue the English language with me. I am a trained professional. I know how language works and I know proper usage. You are a schoolboy poser who gets his jollies trying to make everyone think he's smarter than them. But you can't fool me. :39:
Maybe its just me then. To me you rarely engage people instead your insistence on arguing everything, even minor (dare I say petty) points to the bitter death leads me to picture you as an angry person. Perhaps the forum is just somehwere for you to vent your frustrations.
It's not anger. It's an inferiority complex. Usually when you find someone on the internet who tries to make themselves appear either smarter or tougher than anyone else and who try to make others feel inferior, it's an attempt to mask that person's own feelings of inadequacy. :nod
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 20:29
There's a huge difference here that seems to escape you. None of the major London clubs have the word "London" in their club name. It's not London Arsenal FC or London Chelsea FC or London Tottenham Hotspur FC or London West Ham FC. But the Sheffield clubs do have the city's name as part of their official club name. That makes it perfectly acceptable during the course of a conversation about one of the Sheffield clubs to use the city name as an understood reference to the club that is the subject of the conversation.there's also no club called london- which would make it more acceptable to refer to a london club as london
in sheffield there is a team called sheffield- therefore in order to talk about one of the other clubs (with the obvious exception of hallam and stocksbridge who don't feature sheffield in there name) you have to qualify it, without another word to qualify sheffield it can refer to but one team.
like i keep saying (and there is no arguing with this fact) when talking about a person, another name changes the subject of the conversation, similarly when talking about football another name (in this case sheffield) changes the subject of the conversation
Then how do you know that when I say "Sheffield" I'm not talking about the Sheffield, Alabama, high school soccer team (the Sheffield Bulldogs)?
Again, you're waging a losing battle here when you try to argue the English language with me. I am a trained professional. I know how language works and I know proper usage. You are a schoolboy poser who gets his jollies trying to make everyone think he's smarter than them. But you can't fool me. :39:
if you were referring to them and simply said sheffield then again, you would be wrong and have to be referring to the worlds oldest club
It's not anger. It's an inferiority complex. Usually when you find someone on the internet who tries to make themselves appear either smarter or tougher than anyone else and who try to make others feel inferior, it's an attempt to mask that person's own feelings of inadequacy. :nod
:nod Maybe the anger and frustration I sense stems from that very complex.
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 20:38
i'm just pointing out the flaws he is showing- don't need to feel superior, just (like everyone else in sheffield) get pissed off when any team other than sheffield is referred to as sheffield
especially as wednesday is the only one and united is the original so you have the propper shortened forms there
in fact- tell me, does unitedite refer to any follower of any united by your standards?
dieing to hear this
there's also no club called london- which would make it more acceptable to refer to a london club as london
in sheffield there is a team called sheffield- therefore in order to talk about one of the other clubs (with the obvious exception of hallam and stocksbridge who don't feature sheffield in there name) you have to qualify it, without another word to qualify sheffield it can refer to but one team.
like i keep saying (and there is no arguing with this fact) when talking about a person, another name changes the subject of the conversation, similarly when talking about football another name (in this case sheffield) changes the subject of the conversation
Actually, there is a club called London. AW London FC. They play in the Sevenoaks & District Football League. You can look it up. :tt2:
So, following your logic, if we're discussing a person whose names is, say, Madonna Fansler (a real life friend of mine who is absolutely gorgeous, by the way) and I refer to her simply as "Madonna," then I've changed the subject and we're suddenly talking about the pop singer. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Also, despite the misimpression you seem to be under, you do not make up the rules of grammar. Nor are you the be-all and end-all where football clubs are concerned (obviously, since you had never heard of AW London FC). If you don't have enough common sense to understand that someone saying simply "Sheffield" in the middle of a conversation about Sheffield United (or Sheffield Wednesday, for that matter) is referring to the club being discussed, that's nobody's fault but your own. But you're only making yourself look ridiculous by being so petty.
if you were referring to them and simply said sheffield then again, you would be wrong and have to be referring to the worlds oldest club
Well then obviously all the good people of Sheffield, Alabama, who have never even heard of Sheffield FC (or probably even Sheffield United or Sheffield Wednesday for that matter -- and what's more, don't give a crap about any of them) are wrong without even knowing it?
i'm just pointing out the flaws he is showing- don't need to feel superior, just (like everyone else in sheffield) get pissed off when any team other than sheffield is referred to as sheffield
especially as wednesday is the only one and united is the original so you have the propper shortened forms there
in fact- tell me, does unitedite refer to any follower of any united by your standards?
dieing to hear this
Where I come from, United refers to DC United and Unitedite refers to its fans. What's more, nobody in this area really gives a crap about any of the Sheffield clubs. And that's a fact. :icon_mrgr:
Black Swan
14-05-2008, 21:15
Where I come from, United refers to DC United and Unitedite refers to its fans. What's more, nobody in this area really gives a crap about any of the Sheffield clubs. And that's a fact. :icon_mrgr:
Well Zaphod, this may amaze you, but nobody, anywhere, gives a crap about Sheffield FC, Sheffield United or that other Sheffield team:thup
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 21:17
right- enough of the long posts
1) AW London is Asia Worldwide London, not london. sheffield is sheffield- fairly simple, point stands
2) by any logic saying a name that is not the name of the subject in the initial conversation changes the subject of the conversation- therefore saying the name of a different team (remember, unlike people teams are referred to as a whole, or last part, not a first name to differentiate) changes the subject
3) whose said i don't know who it's referring to- very presumptuous (and wrong)- the fact is it is wrong to use sheffield to refer to them a fact that pisses off the entire population of sheffield
a fact that apparently you don't understand- neither wednesday, nor united (nor heeley, nor providence) are sheffield, we don't want to be, referring to any club other than sheffield as sheffield is an insult as if suggesting that there is only one team
4) if the people of the fake sheffield have never heard of sheffield fc they have no place discussing football anyway
5) unitedite refers exclusively everywhere (apart from america, but then again i'd expect americans to be full of self-importance) to fans of sheffield united- now that would be every part of the world bar america, shows how wrong you are to have that name
6) if you don't care stay out of topics on us rather than carry on with your rules of american and insults to the people, city and sport of sheffield
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 21:17
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Well Zaphod, this may amaze you, but nobody, anywhere, gives a crap about Sheffield FC, Sheffield United or that other Sheffield team:thup
well, this may amaze you- but yet again you have made a factually incorrect post that adds **** all to the topic and has no place on the forum
well, this may amaze you- but yet again you have made a factually incorrect post that adds **** all to the topic and has no place on the forum
Says the man who's spent half the thread arguing a point that had nothing to do with the original post...:lol
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 21:26
that point is factually correct, and judging by the fact the yank still doesn't get it is obviously adding a great deal
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 21:34
and so far after asking the question on another forum 100% of answers agree sheffield is sheffield fc
right- enough of the long posts
He says, before going on to make a long post. :icon_mrgr:
1) AW London is Asia Worldwide London, not london. sheffield is sheffield- fairly simple, point stands
AW London is still a club with London as part of its name. Fairly simple. Point stands.
2) by any logic saying a name that is not the name of the subject in the initial conversation changes the subject of the conversation- therefore saying the name of a different team (remember, unlike people teams are referred to as a whole, or last part, not a first name to differentiate) changes the subject
But saying a name that is not the same as the subject is not what happened. Had the poster said "Ipswich," that would have changed the subject. Instead, the poster said part of the name of the club being discussed, assuming (wrongly, apparently) that everyone in the thread had the intellectual capacity to understand what he was talking about.
3) whose said i don't know who it's referring to- very presumptuous (and wrong)- the fact is it is wrong to use sheffield to refer to them a fact that pisses off the entire population of sheffield
a fact that apparently you don't understand- neither wednesday, nor united (nor heeley, nor providence) are sheffield, we don't want to be, referring to any club other than sheffield as sheffield is an insult as if suggesting that there is only one team
I don't care who it pisses off (and I seriously doubt that it's the whole population of Sheffield because I can assure you that there's a pretty fair percentage of the population of Sheffield that doesn't give a crap about football). It's still perfectly acceptable in standard English usage (in every English speaking country) to refer to the main subject with a portion of the name any time it can logically be assumed that the reader or listener is not a complete idiot. The rules of English usage don't change just because a bunch of mouthbreathing, chest-thumping neanderthals who have nothing better to do with their lives than to live them vicariously through their local sports team are insulted over such petty technicalities.
4) if the people of the fake sheffield have never heard of sheffield fc they have no place discussing football anyway
I can assure you that Sheffield, Alabama, is not fake. It's quite real. So is Sheffield, Illinois; Sheffield, Massachussetts; and any other number of cities and towns that bear the name. And they wouldn't necessarily have to be discussing soccer football. They might just as easily use the term "Sheffield" while discussing American football, basketball, baseball, wrestling, lacrosse, ice hockey or any number of sports. Neither Sheffield FC nor the city of Sheffield, England, have exclusive rights to the name "Sheffield."
5) unitedite refers exclusively everywhere (apart from america, but then again i'd expect americans to be full of self-importance) to fans of sheffield united- now that would be every part of the world bar america, shows how wrong you are to have that name
I would argue that those who wish to claim exclusivity would be the ones guilty of self-importance.
6) if you don't care stay out of topics on us rather than carry on with your rules of american and insults to the people, city and sport of sheffield
I have insulted neither the people of Sheffield, the city itself nor its sports teams. I have only insulted you and people who share your petty and childish views. I actually have had quite a fondness for Sheffield ever since the film The Full Monty. I even have a friend who is a Sheffield Wednesday fan. She's quite nice, actually. I would imagine that most of the people of Sheffield are actually nice and reasonable people.
Enjoy your evening. :thup
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 23:27
you originally stated their name WAS london, which it clearly isn't. unlike sheffield whose name clearly is sheffield
no sheffield football fan apart from fans of sheffield wish to be referred to as sheffield as sheffield is not the part of the name they identify with- and sheffield is a new subject based on the fact that sheffield is a seperate club
you obviously don't know sheffield- not only does 99% of the population follow football, 99% of them are either wednesday or united- then theres the fact that you wouldn't refer to a person called Adam as Ad unless they themselves stated that was acceptable, sheffield is not an acceptable abbreviation of the name of any sheffield club bar sheffield
fake as in pretenders, like the fake ronaldo
so self-important that everyone bar americans accept that unitedite refers to followers of the orignal united
refering to any sheffield club other than sheffield as sheffield is an insult to fans of both league clubs in sheffield and as such an insult to most of the people of sheffield
we aren't sheffield, we don't want to be- united aren't sheffield, they don't want to be
we are wednesday, they are united- sheffield is the city we call home or the club that we all want to see climb it's way to prominance alongside us two
got it yet- our name wednesday, their name united, sheffields name sheffield
triniboi101
14-05-2008, 23:30
My goodness...have a look at the pointless, stupid and ongoing argument going on in this thread!
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 23:46
wait- we have a liverpool fan
can we address everton as liverpool then if this is pointless?
you originally stated their name WAS london, which it clearly isn't. unlike sheffield whose name clearly is sheffield
No, I originally said their name was AW London, which clearly contains the word "London."
no sheffield football fan apart from fans of sheffield wish to be referred to as sheffield as sheffield is not the part of the name they identify with- and sheffield is a new subject based on the fact that sheffield is a seperate club
What fans might wish and what stands as proper English usage are not necessarily one and the same. And while I'm sure most fans of Sheffield Wednesday and Sheffield United would not wish to be referred to as merely "Sheffield" as the subject of conversation, I seriously doubt that many would have a problem with the reference that got such a stick up your butt. Most would have the common sense to understand and the maturity to realize it was not an insult, intended or not.
you obviously don't know sheffield- not only does 99% of the population follow football, 99% of them are either wednesday or united- then theres the fact that you wouldn't refer to a person called Adam as Ad unless they themselves stated that was acceptable, sheffield is not an acceptable abbreviation of the name of any sheffield club bar sheffield
Sorry, but this is one you'll have to prove to me. It defies logic that 99 percent of any population would share a common interest. If this it true, Sheffield must surely be populated by robots rather than humans. And "Ad" would merely be a part of one word. "Sheffield" is a complete word that is capable of standing nicely on its own as part of the larger club name. Sort of like "Madonna Fansler." (But I thought names were different, yet now you're using names to argue your point. Consistency?)
fake as in pretenders, like the fake ronaldo
so self-important that everyone bar americans accept that unitedite refers to followers of the orignal united
So which Ronaldo is fake? Is it the one who was called "Ronaldo" (real name: Ronaldo Luis Nazário de Lima) when the "other" Ronaldo was just a young child? Or is it the one whose last name is actually "Ronaldo?" Again, consistency doesn't seem to be your strong point.
Also, how is it that you can claim exclusivity to the term "Unitedite," yet you were unable to secure exclusivity to the term "United?" There are all sorts of clubs all over the world that bear the "United" name. So why can't the fans of some of them use the term "Unitedite?" Is this some sort of world trademark?
refering to any sheffield club other than sheffield as sheffield is an insult to fans of both league clubs in sheffield and as such an insult to most of the people of sheffield
we aren't sheffield, we don't want to be- united aren't sheffield, they don't want to be
we are wednesday, they are united- sheffield is the city we call home or the club that we all want to see climb it's way to prominance alongside us two
got it yet- our name wednesday, their name united, sheffields name sheffield
Again, the ramblings of silly fans have no bearing on proper English usage. It doesn't matter what you want or what you consider an insult. Proper usage remains the same.
Have a good one. :thup
wednesday4life
14-05-2008, 23:58
i can't be arsed anymore- quite clearly you are clueless
whoever said yanks knew **** all when it came to football was right- **** off back to a sport you know about
My goodness...have a look at the pointless, stupid and ongoing argument going on in this thread!
Ah, but what fun its been forcing him to defend his twisted logic and petty complaints.
wait- we have a liverpool fan
can we address everton as liverpool then if this is pointless?
Again, comparing apples to oranges. But, oddly enough, Liverpool FC originally wanted to call itself Everton, but the FA ruled against it and they settled on Liverpool FC. Had the ruling gone the other way, I suppose you really would be confused. :icon_mrgr:
i can't be arsed anymore- quite clearly you are clueless
whoever said yanks knew **** all when it came to football was right- **** off back to a sport you know about
Well, maybe I know **** all about football. I've never claimed to be an expert. But this discussion actually has **** all to do with football. It's about the English language. And that's one thing I do know. So maybe you should try to learn French or Spanish because, clearly, you know **** all about English. :laugh
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 00:11
with the fact everton were founded as st domingo in 1878 and renamed everton in 1879 then a club coming along in 1892 would find it impossible to be called everton, which was never the plan anyway
although i see like the rest of the yanks you are clueless about football team names being the full name and not the city- for example, neither man ure, nor man city can be referred to as manchester (same as someone called adam is never reffered to as ad)- their name was actually to be everton ATHLETIC
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 00:12
Well, maybe I know **** all about football. I've never claimed to be an expert. But this discussion actually has **** all to do with football. It's about the English language. And that's one thing I do know. So maybe you should try to learn French or Spanish because, clearly, you know **** all about English. :laugh
clearly you don't have a sufficient enough grasp of the language either though- you don't recognise names as subjects
with the fact everton were founded as st domingo in 1878 and renamed everton in 1879 then a club coming along in 1892 would find it impossible to be called everton, which was never the plan anyway
although i see like the rest of the yanks you are clueless about football team names being the full name and not the city- for example, neither man ure, nor man city can be referred to as manchester (same as someone called adam is never reffered to as ad)- their name was actually to be everton ATHLETIC
Let me ask you this. If, in the middle of a discussion of futbol in Argentina, I refer to Arsenal, what club am I talking about? Common sense always applies -- at least to those of us who possess any. :tongue
clearly you don't have a sufficient enough grasp of the language either though- you don't recognise names as subjects
So, using your logic, if I were in the middle of a discussion of the English Premier League I could not simply refer to the Premier League because it might be confused with the Scottish Premier League or the Irish Premier League? Again, common sense should always apply.
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 00:27
i'll use the same example then- if in a discussion of football (there is only one spelling) i mention sheffield who am i talking about.............thats right **** for brains, it would be sheffield fc
much in the same way that in sheffield merely mentioning united switches the discussion to sheffield united, anywhere in a football discussion mentioning wednesday switches the discussion to sheffield wednesday, in educated football circles saying sheffield (on its own before any smart arse replies) switches it instantly to sheffield
now either accept it and move on or avoid all threads on sheffield football
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 00:30
So, using your logic, if I were in the middle of a discussion of the English Premier League I could not simply refer to the Premier League because it might be confused with the Scottish Premier League or the Irish Premier League? Again, common sense should always apply.
moronic peice of ****
see- heres the thing. there is no such thing as the english premier league. the top-flight in english football has the full title of THE premier leaue
therefore refering to the premier league would be a reference to the premier league and mean the top of the english football pyramid (much like football association means the english body and football league means the english league) as the originals we don't need anything to make it known which we are
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 00:31
so- even your own arguments have stopped holding water
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 00:56
oh, and for future reference (and to illustrate just how bollocks your argument is)- if while talking about one of the sheffield clubs saying sheffield refers (wrongly, but according to you it does) to that club what happens if i want to change the subject to sheffield?
i wouldn't ask, but apparently the way that all intelligent fans understand is wrong because refering to them by name would be a reference to the other sheffield club talked about first.............still, i'm sure you americans have a way around the correct useage of englands language as applied to englands sport
oh, and for future reference (and to illustrate just how bollocks your argument is)- if while talking about one of the sheffield clubs saying sheffield refers (wrongly, but according to you it does) to that club what happens if i want to change the subject to sheffield?
i wouldn't ask, but apparently the way that all intelligent fans understand is wrong because refering to them by name would be a reference to the other sheffield club talked about first.............still, i'm sure you americans have a way around the correct useage of englands language as applied to englands sport
If a group of people are talking about Sheffield United then the word Sheffield may be used to refer to Sheffield United, just as easily as the word United could. If however, someone refers to Sheffield Wednesday during the argument, then that person would say 'Sheffield Wednesday' and everybody would know that the topic had temporarily switched to Sheffield Wednesday. And they could have just as easily said 'Wednesday' and we would have all known what they meant.
If someone then said, during the disscusion, "I think the City of Sheffield is a wonderful place to live" then, again, everyone would know what that person meant.
The point is, whether the words Sheffield United, or Sheffield Wednesday or the City of Sheffield are used at the beginning of a debate, any future reference to the subject can be termed as Sheffield for United, Sheffield for Wednesday and Sheffiled for the City, UNLESS or UNTIL the topic is switched to another meaning of the word.
you are one anoying clueless tosser and i can't be arsed to point out the obvious anymore
well, maybe one more time- saying someone elses name (in this case sheffield) changes the subject of a setence. FACT
Excuss me i got naughty points for swearing , i hope the mods (craig) give this BLOKE points for this . :mad:
It looks like im the bad boy , but that rowing as gone on all night , im glad i dont have anything to do with that BLOKE anymore . :ranting:
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 10:43
If a group of people are talking about Sheffield United then the word Sheffield may be used to refer to Sheffield United, just as easily as the word United could. If however, someone refers to Sheffield Wednesday during the argument, then that person would say 'Sheffield Wednesday' and everybody would know that the topic had temporarily switched to Sheffield Wednesday. And they could have just as easily said 'Wednesday' and we would have all known what they meant.
If someone then said, during the disscusion, "I think the City of Sheffield is a wonderful place to live" then, again, everyone would know what that person meant.
The point is, whether the words Sheffield United, or Sheffield Wednesday or the City of Sheffield are used at the beginning of a debate, any future reference to the subject can be termed as Sheffield for United, Sheffield for Wednesday and Sheffiled for the City, UNLESS or UNTIL the topic is switched to another meaning of the word.
so now what your saying is it's impossible to use the 120 year old way ofdifferentiating between the 3 clubs
face it- as one club is called sheffield then sheffield cannnot be used as a shortened form of the others name- therefore, like i have been saying, sheffield is a new name and instantly switches the topic of conversation in exactly the same way as wednesday would
amazingly the only people who don't understand that are from the south or america
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 10:44
It looks like im the bad boy , but that rowing as gone on all night , im glad i dont have anything to do with that BLOKE anymore . :ranting:
it's called debate- it's what forums are for
not that you understand that
Your post #23
Quote:
any mention of sheffield as a club and not a city refers to sheffield fc - there is only one club who can ever be referred to as sheffield. much like wednesday can only ever refer to one club.
Let's break this down:
1. any mention of sheffield as a club and not a city refers to sheffield fc.
Wrong:
Any mention of Sheffield as a club and not a city refers to Sheffield United because that's what the debates about.
2. there is only one club who can ever be referred to as Sheffield.
Wrong:
There is Sheffield Wednesday and there is Sheffield United.
Any mention of Sheffield in the debate refers to Sheffield United because that's what the debate is about.
Am I correct in saying that you refuse to acknowledge the very existence of Sheffield United football club?
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 11:36
no, but they are not sheffield- the minute sheffield is used by itself the subject is changed. every time. without fail, otherwise sheffield would never be able to change the subject
amazingly- especially since this has been used for 120 years- only southners and yanks don't understand that FACT
Your post #23
Quote:
any mention of sheffield as a club and not a city refers to sheffield fc - there is only one club who can ever be referred to as sheffield. much like wednesday can only ever refer to one club.
Let's break this down:
1. any mention of sheffield as a club and not a city refers to sheffield fc.
Wrong:
Any mention of Sheffield as a club and not a city refers to Sheffield United because that's what the debates about.
2. there is only one club who can ever be referred to as Sheffield.
Wrong:
There is Sheffield Wednesday and there is Sheffield United.
Any mention of Sheffield in the debate refers to Sheffield United because that's what the debate is about.
Am I correct in saying that you refuse to acknowledge the very existence of Sheffield United football club?If someone said to me , there from sheffield and a football fan , i would ask who do u follow weds or utd .
no, but they are not sheffield- the minute sheffield is used by itself the subject is changed. every time. without fail, otherwise sheffield would never be able to change the subject
amazingly- especially since this has been used for 120 years- only southners and yanks don't understand that FACT
I can see what you're saying and I can understand what you mean. But the word Sheffield was used as a referrence to Sheffield United because that's what the debate was about. Does that make sense to you?
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 11:53
so, then, how does someone in a debate about wednesday or united then change the subject to sheffield if they can't do it by saying sheffield
making it simpler- you seem to think there are only 2 clubs in sheffield and either can be referred to as sheffield whereas there are in fact 3 and one is called sheffield. with the fact that sheffield is the name of another club how can it be used to mean any other?
I can see what you're saying and I can understand what you mean. But the word Sheffield was used as a referrence to Sheffield United because that's what the debate was about. Does that make sense to you?
Nothing makes sense to him because he has none. :icon_mrgr:
Apparently, Mr. Wednesday believes that he has the authority to make up special rules for English usage that pertain only to the discussion of Sheffield-based football clubs and are to be adhered to strictly and without question even if these same rules do not apply to any similar conversation about anything else in the world.
What he doesn't understand is that even if his claim were true that all fans of Sheffield Wednesday or Sheffield United would be offended by the use of "Sheffield" as a second, third or any following reference during a conversation about said club, that doesn't override the normal and accepted rules of English usage.
But don't be too hard on him. He's just a lonely boy trying to draw attention to himself through attempts to make himself appear smarter than others on an internet football forum. Admittedly, I've enjoyed making him twist in the wind a bit and try to defend his un-defendable position and have been amused by how staunchly he has adhered to his nonsensical stanch on such a trivial issue. But deep down inside I feel a bit sorry for him. :angel
Nothing makes sense to him because he has none. :icon_mrgr:
Apparently, Mr. Wednesday believes that he has the authority to make up special rules for English usage that pertain only to the discussion of Sheffield-based football clubs and are to be adhered to strictly and without question even if these same rules do not apply to any similar conversation about anything else in the world.
What he doesn't understand is that even if his claim were true that all fans of Sheffield Wednesday or Sheffield United would be offended by the use of "Sheffield" as a second, third or any following reference during a conversation about said club, that doesn't override the normal and accepted rules of English usage.
But don't be too hard on him. He's just a lonely boy trying to draw attention to himself through attempts to make himself appear smarter than others on an internet football forum. Admittedly, I've enjoyed making him twist in the wind a bit and try to defend his un-defendable position and have been amused by how staunchly he has adhered to his nonsensical stanch on such a trivial issue. But deep down inside I feel a bit sorry for him. :angel Well said mate .:thup
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:01
Nothing makes sense to him because he has none. :icon_mrgr:
Apparently, Mr. Wednesday believes that he has the authority to make up special rules for English usage that pertain only to the discussion of Sheffield-based football clubs and are to be adhered to strictly and without question even if these same rules do not apply to any similar conversation about anything else in the world.
What he doesn't understand is that even if his claim were true that all fans of Sheffield Wednesday or Sheffield United would be offended by the use of "Sheffield" as a second, third or any following reference during a conversation about said club, that doesn't override the normal and accepted rules of English usage.
But don't be too hard on him. He's just a lonely boy trying to draw attention to himself through attempts to make himself appear smarter than others on an internet football forum. Admittedly, I've enjoyed making him twist in the wind a bit and try to defend his un-defendable position and have been amused by how staunchly he has adhered to his nonsensical stanch on such a trivial issue. But deep down inside I feel a bit sorry for him. :angel
again clueless yank bastard- stop dodging the question and answer me this
if sheffield always refers to the last club mentioned and i want to change the subject to sheffield how can i do that if sheffield can't be used as a reference to sheffield despite sheffield being sheffields name?
now. answer that or **** off- like i say, only yanks and southerners are clueless enough to go against 120 year old rules
so, then, how does someone in a debate about wednesday or united then change the subject to sheffield if they can't do it by saying sheffield
The same way they would change the subject from Wednesday to United or vice versa! You would just say the full name of the club. For instance: "I understand that Sheffield United had a decent season this year. How did Sheffield FC do?" It's really not that difficult. :laugh
again clueless yank bastard- stop dodging the question and answer me this
if sheffield always refers to the last club mentioned and i want to change the subject to sheffield how can i do that if sheffield can't be used as a reference to sheffield despite sheffield being sheffields name?
now. answer that or **** off- like i say, only yanks and southerners are clueless enough to go against 120 year old rules
I did answer it. It's quite simple. And the fact that you are so terribly angry over this while I'm sitting here laughing my hiney off really should tell you something. :laugh
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:04
apart from the name of the club is sheffield- the fc on the end is as redunant as it is on wednesday, united, or on the start of barcalona
then again, your clueless and american and one of the vast minority that doesn't get the 120 year old rule
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:05
I did answer it. It's quite simple. And the fact that you are so terribly angry over this while I'm sitting here laughing my hiney off really should tell you something. :laugh
yes, it tells me your a clueless little **** who knows **** all about football, especially in the north, and especially in the city it all started
sheffield is a club, as such no other club can be referred to as sheffield- got it yet moron. it's only been established for 120 years- i'm guessing that makes this accepted rule alot older than you
I did answer it. It's quite simple. And the fact that you are so terribly angry over this while I'm sitting here laughing my hiney off really should tell you something. :laughNice one zaphod lol.
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 12:07
If this crap keeps going, I think the thread should be closed entirely. People may have valid points but there's expressing yourself then there's being as dry as a cracker really. On a much lighter note...
AAAAAAAAH-GAAAAAAAA DO DO DO!
PUSH PINEAPPLE, SHAKE A TREE!
AGA DO DO DO
PUSH PINEAPPLE, GROUND COFFEE!
TO THE LEFT, TO THE RIGHT!
JUMP UP AND DOWN AND TO THE KNEES!
COME AND DANCE, EVERY NIGHT, SING WITH A HULA MELODY! :simon
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:08
oh, and on the other forum i asked the question on, so far we have uncovered that referring to man utd as manchester is just as annoying, bristol clubs don't want to be called bristol but more importantly all but one thinks that sheffield on it's own exclusively means sheffield and that one thinks it should be used as a reference only to wednesday
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:09
Nice one zaphod lol.
thats right- you add to the topic
yes, it tells me your a clueless little **** who knows **** all about football, especially in the north, and especially in the city it all started
sheffield is a club, as such no other club can be referred to as sheffield- got it yet moron. it's only been established for 120 years- i'm guessing that makes this accepted rule alot older than you
:lol:lol:lol
You get funnier all the time. Seriously, you have me in stitches! Sorry, but football fans aren't allowed to make up their own rules for English usage and they certainly can't force them on anyone else. After all, the English language has been around much longer than 120 years. :bye
:lol:lol:lol
You get funnier all the time. Seriously, you have me in stitches! Sorry, but football fans aren't allowed to make up their own rules for English usage and they certainly can't force them on anyone else. After all, the English language has been around much longer than 120 years. :byeAnother good one mate :lol have u seen my pm mate ?
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:11
yes, and the accepted name of sheffield has been around for 150- thats SHEFFIELD, a different club, a club that whenever sheffield is mentioned is being talked about unless qualified
still, you're clueless- there are no different rules. it's the same one that states in a conversation about andy, saying dave changes the subject
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:12
Another good one mate :lol have u seen my pm mate ?
have you ever made a constructive post, or is your entire purpose to latch onto people who can manage what you can't, that being debate?
you are aware that this will get you no credit whatsoever for the debate
yes, and the accepted name of sheffield has been around for 150- thats SHEFFIELD, a different club, a club that whenever sheffield is mentioned is being talked about unless qualified
still, you're clueless- there are no different rules. it's the same one that states in a conversation about andy, saying dave changes the subject
Again, apples and oranges. As I pointed out before, saying Dave instead of Andy would be like saying Ipswich instead of Sheffield. Saying "Sheffield" in a conversation about Sheffield United would be like saying "Dave" in a conversation about a guy named, say, Dave Roberts.
And sorry to inform you, but the English language has been around a lot longer than even Sheffield FC. But apparently you didn't stay in school long enough to read Shakespeare. :icon_mrgr:
Another good one mate :lol have u seen my pm mate ?
Yes, I just PM'd you back. Gotta run now. I'd like to stick around and keep getting Mr. Wednesday fired up over this ridiculous, trivial issue, but sadly I have things to do today.
Enjoy the day Anton and all of you! I'll check in this evening. :thup
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:19
apparently your still not clued up enough to know that sheffield is actually an entirely different name in that football club names aren't given name and surname like you seem to think (in which case sheffield would be acceptable), the entire name is as one, therefore saying sheffield in a conversation about wednesday or united is exactly the same as saying dave in a conversation about andy
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:20
Yes, I just PM'd you back. Gotta run now. I'd like to stick around and keep getting Mr. Wednesday fired up over this ridiculous, trivial issue, but sadly I have things to do today.
Enjoy the day Anton and all of you! I'll check in this evening. :thup
so trivial that despite you being wrong you still have to argue
you still haven't admitted the one clearly wrong post you made on THE premier league
Yes, I just PM'd you back. Gotta run now. I'd like to stick around and keep getting Mr. Wednesday fired up over this ridiculous, trivial issue, but sadly I have things to do today.
Enjoy the day Anton and all of you! I'll check in this evening. :thup O k mate , have a good day , chat soon . its so good to chat to someone who understands life . and understands english . :thup
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:24
must be extra good for you, what with the collective lack of understanding of football
I dont want to chat to you too much as a 6 month old would give me much more sense but changing the subjet , how many times have you seen your club and how many times have you seen them play in majoy finals ?
so, then, how does someone in a debate about wednesday or united then change the subject to sheffield if they can't do it by saying sheffield
making it simpler- you seem to think there are only 2 clubs in sheffield and either can be referred to as sheffield whereas there are in fact 3 and one is called sheffield. with the fact that sheffield is the name of another club how can it be used to mean any other?
If someone is in a debate about Wednesday or United and then referred to Sheffield as a city, they would say "the city of Sheffield" then everyone would know what they meant.
If someone is in a debate about Wednesday AND United, the word Wednesday or United would be used. If the debate is about Sheffield Wednesday AND ONLY Sheffield Wednesday, then any reference to the club can be given as Sheffield because we are only talking about Sheffield Wednesday.
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:35
how many times, far too many to count- major finals, 4
then again- how many league titles have you won, and how the **** can you of all people complain at a lack of sense?
kate_WWFC
15-05-2008, 12:39
Wednesday4life why do you have to insult people when they have different views to you??
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:39
If someone is in a debate about Wednesday or United and then referred to Sheffield as a city, they would say "the city of Sheffield" then everyone would know what they meant.
If someone is in a debate about Wednesday AND United, the word Wednesday or United would be used. If the debate is about Sheffield Wednesday AND ONLY Sheffield Wednesday, then any reference to the club can be given as Sheffield because we are only talking about Sheffield Wednesday.
again ignoring SHEFFIELD
sheffield, the worlds oldest club- they count pele amongst their celebrity fans. they were 150 years old last year, had a massive celebration, played inter milan in a mid-season friendly. one of only 2 clubs to have been awarded fifas order of merit
so, if someone was having a debate on any sheffield club and sheffield came up by itself it is more than safe to assume (at least amongst educated football fans who acknowledge the history of the game, and the club named SHEFFIELD) that the club now being discussed is SHEFFIELD
if thats not the case then it is largely impossible to ever talk about SHEFFIELD, because any mention made to them apparently has to be to one of the other clubs
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:41
Wednesday4life why do you have to insult people when they have different views to you??
i have to insult them when they attempt to insult me
please tell me how saying that a 6 month old makes more sense is a different veiw...........please- maybe then i'll have an insight into the twisted logic of the midlands
kate_WWFC
15-05-2008, 12:44
i have to insult them when they attempt to insult me
please tell me how saying that a 6 month old makes more sense is a different veiw...........please- maybe then i'll have an insight into the twisted logic of the midlands
Mate i aint getting involved in your arguments i was just wondering
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:46
1) you did get involved
2) when you do feel the need, try to be factually correct- he doesn't have a different veiw, he only insults. in fact i'm beginning to doubt whether he's had an oppinion on anything ever
how many times, far too many to count- major finals, 4
then again- how many league titles have you won, and how the **** can you of all people complain at a lack of sense?AS a 20 year old going to 4 majoy finals ha ha is your name dr WHO . I would like you to name them , 1966 facup final your name was john pertweet lol.
kate_WWFC
15-05-2008, 12:51
1) you did get involved
2) when you do feel the need, try to be factually correct- he doesn't have a different veiw, he only insults. in fact i'm beginning to doubt whether he's had an oppinion on anything ever
Im not on about Anton
In this thread you have insulted Zaphod just because he has different views to you.
Its clear you dont like People from Wolves anyways as when we argued you clearly pointed it out. I cant help the team i support and you may hate them but i might hate sheff weds but i dont hate you
All im saying is dabate is great as its whats forums and for and you can get your point over as much as you want but do you have revert to insults.
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:51
rumbelows cup 1991 (age 3), coca-cola cup 1993, fa cup 1993, fa cup replay 1993 (all age 5)
don't have to be doctor who to attend finals as a wednesday fan
Im not on about Anton
In this thread you have insulted Zaphod just because he has different views to you.
Its clear you dont like People from Wolves anyways as when we argued you clearly pointed it out. I cant help the team i support and you may hate them but i might hate sheff weds but i dont hate you
All im saying is dabate is great as its whats forums and for and you can get your point over as much as you want but do you have revert to insults. I think he lives on another planet kate .
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:54
Im not on about Anton
In this thread you have insulted Zaphod just because he has different views to you.
Its clear you dont like People from Wolves anyways as when we argued you clearly pointed it out. I cant help the team i support and you may hate them but i might hate sheff weds but i dont hate you
All im saying is dabate is great as its whats forums and for and you can get your point over as much as you want but do you have revert to insults.
i insulted him because of his apparent lack of knowledge of names and inability to accept that a new name means a new subject and the fact that despite those 2 facts he still had to try............and try.............and try................and try.........
rumbelows cup 1991 (age 3), coca-cola cup 1993, fa cup 1993, fa cup replay 1993 (all age 5)
don't have to be doctor who to attend finals as a wednesday fan and u remember them games lol.
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:55
I think he lives on another planet kate .
yes- mine's called earth, you know, the only one with intelligent life-forms
And u have been to more than 75 grounds .
kate_WWFC
15-05-2008, 12:56
i insulted him because of his apparent lack of knowledge of names and inability to accept that a new name means a new subject and the fact that despite those 2 facts he still had to try............and try.............and try................and try.........
ok
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:57
and u remember them games lol.
why wouldn't i, antonia?
yes- mine's called earth, you know, the only one with intelligent life-forms
Well u must be the odd one out then coz know one on the REAL planet earth belives or likes you .
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:57
And u have been to more than 75 grounds .
i'm not sad enough to count all the grounds i've been to
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 12:58
Well u must be the odd one out then coz know one on the REAL planet earth belives or likes you .
really antonia?
i deal with facts, and not a single thing in that post is factual
really antonia?
i deal with facts, and not a single thing in that post is factual
SAY KNOW MORE MATE FROM U
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 13:01
in english please antonia
i'm not sad enough to count all the grounds i've been to
Obviously not that many then . true fan from "sheffield" I went against u and didnt think much of ur suport and oh yes 2-1 wasnt it . :lol:lol:lol
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 13:04
funny that- we don't think much of yours, what with the fact that all weve ever heard you sing is we only get **** refs, after a (well i'll give you they've been ****) performance worthy of your man of the match
funny that- we don't think much of yours, what with the fact that all weve ever heard you sing is we only get **** refs, after a (well i'll give you they've been ****) performance worthy of your man of the match2-1 3-1 2-1 3-1 2-1 3-1 2-1 3-1 :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:l ol YOUR CRAP AND YOU KNOW YOU ARE . :lol:lol:lol:lol
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 13:17
remind me whose won more league titles please antonia, i've forgotten again
remind me whose won more league titles please antonia, i've forgotten again
Herm are you refring to me as u might have the wrong name there chap
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 13:27
really antonia, what would you prefer to be called?
really antonia, what would you prefer to be called?Nothing from you as you cant spaek English , are u refering as wednesday as being sheffield wedsnday in your quote on most league wins and when was the last time your team won it , was your grandad alive when they last did ? :lol
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 13:38
i can't speak english?
thats 2 posts now that haven't been in english from you antonia- stop being a hypocrite please
yes, and the accepted name of sheffield has been around for 150- thats SHEFFIELD, a different club, a club that whenever sheffield is mentioned is being talked about unless qualified
still, you're clueless- there are no different rules. it's the same one that states in a conversation about andy, saying dave changes the subject
That's fair enough. But if we had been talking about Sheffield FC and any further reference to the club was 'Sheffield', then we would all have known Sheffield FC was being implied.
On the other hand, if we're all talking about Sheffield Wednesday, and only Sheffield Wednesday, there's no reason to believe, if the word Sheffield is used, that it might refer to Sheffield FC or Sheffield United.
i can't speak english?
thats 2 posts now that haven't been in english from you antonia- stop being a hypocrite please
Thats 100 posts you havent said in english , when will u ever stop u cry baby and u didnt reply to my "when u last won the league " as your grandad was around the last time u did :lol:lol:lol
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 13:53
That's fair enough. But if we had been talking about Sheffield FC and any further reference to the club was 'Sheffield', then we would all have known Sheffield FC was being implied.
On the other hand, if we're all talking about Sheffield Wednesday, and only Sheffield Wednesday, there's no reason to believe, if the word Sheffield is used, that it might refer to Sheffield FC or Sheffield United.
any reference to sheffield MUST change the subject to sheffield, otherwise if the subject was to be changed then clueless southerners and yanks would think that we were still talking about the same club
like i say- 1 club is called SHEFFIELD therefore, saying simply sheffield can only reference them
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 13:56
Thats 100 posts you havent said in english , when will u ever stop u cry baby and u didnt reply to my "when u last won the league " as your grandad was around the last time u did :lol:lol:lol
hi antonia- it may not be obvious to you but that is actually english, i know it's not easy to recognise that when you're intent on attempting abuse
yours, on the other hand, barely eveen resembles english- for example, in the english language there is no word "u"
also, in english, "when you (which i assume you mean) won the league" is a statement and therefore doesn't need a response
you're getting closer though antonia
any reference to sheffield MUST change the subject to sheffield, otherwise if the subject was to be changed then clueless southerners and yanks would think that we were still talking about the same club
like i say- 1 club is called SHEFFIELD therefore, saying simply sheffield can only reference themOh so you cant stand the heat , so let me tell u something , when u have grown up , come and talk to me man to man , ill prob have to wait till england next win the world cup or your beloved "sheffield" win the prem .
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:01
see, again that makes no sense- when you are willing to speak english (and learn what debate is) maybe a forum community will one day embrace you
but like you said antonia- that day probably won't come until sheffield win the league, which gives you at least 8 years to learn
Oh so you cant stand the heat , so let me tell u something , when u have grown up , come and talk to me man to man , ill prob have to wait till england next win the world cup or your beloved "sheffield" win the prem .
I and I quote I have been around and understand english much better than yourself , u is just a short version of the word you and even some baby who got nothing else to do than piss everyone off should understand that . was it 1929 the last time your grandad saw "sheffield " win the league ?
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:05
sheffield have never competed in the league antonia
and the rest of the post again makes no sense- for someone with such a grasp of english you should be embarassed
sheffield have never competed in the league antonia
and the rest of the post again makes no sense- for someone with such a grasp of english you should be embarassed
I was piss taking but living up north "u" cant handle it as your a non english !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:09
apparently us up north have a better grasp of english than anyone else
such as the ability to understand punctuation, the fact that "u" is not a word, and, antonia, the fact that if we are going to criticise peoples english we should make sure ours is right first
apparently us up north have a better grasp of english than anyone else
such as the ability to understand punctuation, the fact that "u" is not a word, and, antonia, the fact that if we are going to criticise peoples english we should make sure ours is right firstCan you give me a quote on northeners having a better grasp of english mate . u was just a shorten name as i stated in a post about an hour ago sonny jim ( a northern saying i belive) .
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:18
you've just given yourself a quote on northerners having a better grasp- see, antonia, not only have you quoted my correct english, you have also used incorrect english again
Northeners speak like i quote , ah lad how ar ya . is that english mate so dont give me that crap.
As zaphod and so many others have said , "you" must have a sad life , no girlfriend, no friends , no nothing so all "you" can do is spend all your time taking the piss out of anyone who disagrees or makes a slight spelling mistake in life. Get a grip and come back to this planet when you are given a brain .
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:25
all you do is take the piss period.
oh, and make false presumptions
oh, and use **** english while criticising everyone elses (not that anyone from the midlands can really critcise any one of the northern dialects)
kate_WWFC
15-05-2008, 14:28
all you do is take the piss period.
oh, and make false presumptions
oh, and use **** english while criticising everyone elses (not that anyone from the midlands can really critcise any one of the northern dialects)
What have Midlands people done to you
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:33
most of them, nothing
but if he can take the piss out of northerners then i can do the same out of the pathetic accent of the midlands- almost as annoying as cockney yapping
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:34
in fact- a recent study has found that people with a yorkshire accent are considered the cleverest, with those featuring a midlands one are ranked bottom
surely they can't just be basing this on antonia?
kate_WWFC
15-05-2008, 14:35
Thankfully i don't have a strong accent:angel
apparently us up north have a better grasp of english than anyone else
such as the ability to understand punctuation, the fact that "u" is not a word, and, antonia, the fact that if we are going to criticise peoples english we should make sure ours is right first
Your the one who thinks northeners are better than anyone else
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:37
Thankfully i don't have a strong accent:angel
probably a good job- it was actually ranked below silence
Your the one who thinks northeners are better than anyone else
i believe that should be you're
and you're currently the one proving it
in fact- a recent study has found that people with a yorkshire accent are considered the cleverest, with those featuring a midlands one are ranked bottom
surely they can't just be basing this on antonia?Have you a quote on that as you didnt belive me when i refered to the rivals section ?
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 14:41
yes, difference is this is scientific research, not a simple survey
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2008/apr/04/6
conducted by scientists, in a scientific way remember- not conducted as a survey of a vast minority of fans
any reference to sheffield MUST change the subject to sheffield, otherwise if the subject was to be changed then clueless southerners and yanks would think that we were still talking about the same club
like i say- 1 club is called SHEFFIELD therefore, saying simply sheffield can only reference them
I accept that, but can you see the argument from my point of view?
any reference to sheffield MUST change the subject to sheffield, otherwise if the subject was to be changed then clueless southerners and yanks would think that we were still talking about the same club
like i say- 1 club is called SHEFFIELD therefore, saying simply sheffield can only reference them
Could you please show me where that is written into the common rules of English usage? :icon_mrgr:
Also, if what you say is correct, then it would be improper to refer to Sheffield United or Manchester United simply as "United" because there's a club called FC United. After all, if you don't make yourself perfectly clear, all of us clueless Yanks and southerners might think you're talking about FC United. One club is called UNITED, so saying simply "United" can only reference them -- at least according to your twisted logic. :tt2:
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 16:21
on fc united the fc isn't redundant
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 16:26
THIS IS TURNING INTO A PATHETIC PUB THREAD THAT ISN'T EVEN WORTHY OF BEING IN THE PUB FORUM NOW!!
SHUT THE FCUK UP WITH THIS PATHETIC LITTLE-BOY SYNDROME! - NOBODY!!! GIVES A $HIT SINCE YOU MILKED THE COW DRY ABOUT 11 PAGES AGO!
THIS IS TURNING INTO A PATHETIC PUB THREAD THAT ISN'T EVEN WORTHY OF BEING IN THE PUB FORUM NOW!!
SHUT THE FCUK UP WITH THIS PATHETIC LITTLE-BOY SYNDROME! - NOBODY!!! GIVES A $HIT SINCE YOU MILKED THE COW DRY ABOUT 11 PAGES AGO!
Ohh... :( Don't spoil the fun, poolie. If it wasn't for the fact that two people resorted to swearing and throwing insults, everything would have been OK.
Anyway, thanks for agreeing I was right. :ninja
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 16:45
Ohh... :( Don't spoil the fun, poolie. If it wasn't for the fact that two people resorted to swearing and throwing insults, everything would have been OK.
Anyway, thanks for agreeing I was right. :ninja
I think the thread should be closed. It's just drab crap now.
I think the thread should be closed. It's just drab crap now.
Ok, you can close it now that I've won the argument. :lol
Middlesbrough No1 Fan
15-05-2008, 17:01
Your the one who thinks northeners are better than anyone else
lol id agree with that statement. :thup
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 17:02
lol id agree with that statement. :thup
I'm in on that one too :thup... despite MN1F being a southerner, technically! :laugh
Middlesbrough No1 Fan
15-05-2008, 17:05
I'm in on that one too :thup... despite MN1F being a southerner, technically! :laugh
**** off :icon_mrgr:
I think the thread should be closed. It's just drab crap now.
Am I not normal then? I quite enjoyed reading through it.:ninja
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 17:06
**** off :icon_mrgr:
You can't say that to a northerner :O one of the best kind of people you can... you even said so yourself! :laugh
rooferdave
15-05-2008, 17:21
You can't say that to a northerner :O one of the best kind of people you can... you even said so yourself! :laugh
Dont tell me you two are going to start now:lol:lol:lol.
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 17:24
Dont tell me you two are going to start now:lol:lol:lol.
Me and MN1F have friendly banter about things that really matter - the fact that northerners are better and the fact that he's not a northerner! At least it would be worth reading :laugh Who am I trying to kid?
rooferdave
15-05-2008, 17:26
Me and MN1F have friendly banter about things that really matter - the fact that northerners are better and the fact that he's not a northerner! At least it would be worth reading :laugh Who am I trying to kid?
Go on have a row with him, Got to be better than the other tripe in this tread:lol
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 17:27
Go on have a row with him, Got to be better than the other tripe in this tread:lol
COME ON THEN MN1F... STICK YOUR DUKES UP! :ranting:
:laugh
Middlesbrough No1 Fan
15-05-2008, 18:10
COME ON THEN MN1F... STICK YOUR DUKES UP! :ranting:
:laugh
bring it bitch :icon_mrgr:
COME ON THEN MN1F... STICK YOUR DUKES UP! :ranting:
:laugh
bring it bitch :icon_mrgr:
Can I be the ref? :ninja
on fc united the fc isn't redundant
Huh? The FC of FC United stands for exactly the same thing as the FC of Sheffield FC. It just means "football club." It's not redundant in either case because it merely signifies that each is a football club. Do you even know what 'redundant" means?
:lol
Ah, Mr. Wednesday, you've provided me with a lot of chuckles over the past couple of days. You're a quite entertaining chap. :thup
Huh? The FC of FC United stands for exactly the same thing as the FC of Sheffield FC. It just means "football club." It's not redundant in either case because it merely signifies that each is a football club. Do you even know what 'redundant" means?
:lol
Ah, Mr. Wednesday, you've provided me with a lot of chuckles over the past couple of days. You're a quite entertaining chap. :thup
He'll never conceed.:no2: I've tried logical argument before. It doesn't work, but well done for trying.:thup
He'll never conceed.:no2: I've tried logical argument before. It doesn't work, but well done for trying.:thup
I know...but I enjoy messing with him so. :laugh
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 18:30
COME ON THEN MN1F... STICK YOUR DUKES UP! :ranting:
:laugh
bring it bitch :icon_mrgr:
Can I be the ref? :ninja
Come on then, MN1F :30::redbite::fight:guns:bop:
No, Gb... I wouldn't want you to get hurt :laugh besides, we don't need a ref to know that I have/will win :laugh
I know...but I enjoy messing with him so. :laugh
You should meet Mr Swan....:icon_mrgr:
You should meet Mr Swan....:icon_mrgr:
Never a dull moment around here then, eh? :laugh
Middlesbrough No1 Fan
15-05-2008, 18:35
Come on then, MN1F :30::redbite::fight:guns:bop:
No, Gb... I wouldn't want you to get hurt :laugh besides, we don't need a ref to know that I have/will win :laugh
look at that. she has to result in using weapons
Typical hartlepool pussy :icon_mrgr:
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 18:38
look at that. she has to result in using weapons
Typical hartlepool pussy :icon_mrgr:
Come on then! Fists up, Mr. Southerner! :eusa_dance: <-- me poking you in the eye in case you wondered ( :laugh) :sport-smiley-002:
Never a dull moment around here then, eh? :laugh
I just fancy you share a sporting interest.
Middlesbrough No1 Fan
15-05-2008, 18:50
Come on then! Fists up, Mr. Southerner! :eusa_dance: <-- me poking you in the eye in case you wondered ( :laugh) :sport-smiley-002:
i usually would never hit a woman. but on this occasion i can make an exception
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/cjchris2/smilies/fighting-30.gif
prepare to be smogified (wow i like that word) :icon_mrgr:
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 18:53
i usually would never hit a woman. but on this occasion i can make an exception
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/cjchris2/smilies/fighting-30.gif
prepare to be smogified (wow i like that word) :icon_mrgr:
:O Can't believe you'd hit a woman! You're a disgrace on Southerners and Smog'eds! Though Smog-tastics can't get much worse anyway can they :laugh
:O Can't believe you'd hit a woman! You're a disgrace on Southerners and Smog'eds! Though Smog-tastics can't get much worse anyway can they :laugh
Hang on a minute, you're supposed to be in the Time Machine. Don't tell me you've used a very expensive Time Machine to merely pop over to another thread? :ranting:
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 19:08
Hang on a minute, you're supposed to be in the Time Machine. Don't tell me you've used a very expensive Time Machine to merely pop over to another thread? :ranting:
Sorry, I'm still trying to figure out the time machine buttons.. that one on the left with the weird curly symbol on it is confusing me! :laugh... anyway, what's wrong with using it to hop threads! Saves me clicking links :laugh
Sorry, I'm still trying to figure out the time machine buttons.. that one on the left with the weird curly symbol on it is confusing me! :laugh... anyway, what's wrong with using it to hop threads! Saves me clicking links :laugh
Oh yes, the curly symbol. Press that and you'll zap any one or any thing which might endanger you. Aliens from another planet or wild stone age men, for example.
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 21:57
Huh? The FC of FC United stands for exactly the same thing as the FC of Sheffield FC. It just means "football club." It's not redundant in either case because it merely signifies that each is a football club. Do you even know what 'redundant" means?
:lol
Ah, Mr. Wednesday, you've provided me with a lot of chuckles over the past couple of days. You're a quite entertaining chap. :thup
the fc on sheffield isn't needed- it is on fc united
still, you've admitted yourself your clueless when it comes to football
He'll never conceed. I've tried logical argument before. It doesn't work, but well done for tryinganyone arguing teams other than sheffield can be called sheffield despite sheffield being a club in their own right has no grasp on logic
still, sheffield wednesday avoid relegation, and doesn't paul smith currently play for sheffield?................now, using his rules that fact on the end would be wrong despite the fact it clearly puts paul smith as a sheffield player simply through the use of sheffield, but obviously there when sheffield is used it cannot possibly refer to sheffield as apparently using sheffield to refer to sheffield (a fundamental rule of english) is not a propper use of english in which case how do i refer to sheffield if sheffield cannot be used to refer to sheffield?
wednesday4life
15-05-2008, 22:13
in fact, on the subject of fc united- you are again wrong to claim they are called united even ignoring the fc on account of the fact fc united of manchester is the name of the team, much like asia worldwide london is the name of the team you thought were called london
speaking of london, didn't they finish second.................and third..............and avoid relegation on the last day...................and recently sack de canio to replace him with dowie.............and aren't they also playing in the champions league final next week..............and didn't they also get lucky with tevez last season?
and didn't liverpool finish fourth ahead of liverpool?
and bristol- they did well to play in the championship while being a league 1 club didn't they
and how about manchester- champions league final, premier league winners, qualified for europe after finishing ninth, have 20-odd years loyal service from sir alex and then sack sven despite getting their best finish in a long time
poolie_chick
15-05-2008, 23:01
in fact, on the subject of fc united- you are again wrong to claim they are called united even ignoring the fc on account of the fact fc united of manchester is the name of the team, much like asia worldwide london is the name of the team you thought were called london
speaking of london, didn't they finish second.................and third..............and avoid relegation on the last day...................and recently sack de canio to replace him with dowie.............and aren't they also playing in the champions league final next week..............and didn't they also get lucky with tevez last season?
and didn't liverpool finish fourth ahead of liverpool?
and bristol- they did well to play in the championship while being a league 1 club didn't they
and how about manchester- champions league final, premier league winners, qualified for europe after finishing ninth, have 20-odd years loyal service from sir alex and then sack sven despite getting their best finish in a long time
:lol fair points
in fact, on the subject of fc united- you are again wrong to claim they are called united even ignoring the fc on account of the fact fc united of manchester is the name of the team, much like asia worldwide london is the name of the team you thought were called london
speaking of london, didn't they finish second.................and third..............and avoid relegation on the last day...................and recently sack de canio to replace him with dowie.............and aren't they also playing in the champions league final next week..............and didn't they also get lucky with tevez last season?
and didn't liverpool finish fourth ahead of liverpool?
and bristol- they did well to play in the championship while being a league 1 club didn't they
and how about manchester- champions league final, premier league winners, qualified for europe after finishing ninth, have 20-odd years loyal service from sir alex and then sack sven despite getting their best finish in a long time
You're absolutely hilarious in your complete lack of common sense. Sir, you are one of the true champions of crap spewing. The sheer volume of