[vBookie]FA Cup Final-Portsmouth v Cardiff[MD]

[RedRabbit]

It will be a magic night at Wembley for the winner. Who will it be now??

[jonesy]

What about the bet that already exists? Are we still going to be payed out on that?

[RedRabbit]

What about the bet that already exists? Are we still going to be payed out on that?

if mean this one:
http://www.myfootballforum.com/showthread.php?t=9706

yes, you will still get paid out on that one. This one is for the match itself

[alexxturner]

I DONT WANT CARDIFF TO WIN!

I hate cardiff, I despise all things welsh.

Cmon Portsmouth, is Mr. Portsmouth going?

[jonesy]

I DONT WANT CARDIFF TO WIN!

I hate cardiff, I despise all things welsh.

Cmon Portsmouth, is Mr. Portsmouth going?
Once again I love you too!

[Simonutd]

Once again I love you too!


i want cardiff to win, nuffin wrong with the welsh alex, besides there fondness for sheep, lol

[Shanks1965]

Reasons why I want Cardiff to win:
1) Fowler
2) Jonesy
3) when we have been there for finals & Community Shield matches we have been made very welcome by the locals
4) Underdogs
5) Dave Jones (badly treated)
6) Cant wait to hear Wed4life moaning about why they shouldn't be in U.E.F.A cup
7) Any City that has an area called SPLOT has to be a good one!
8) I'm not a massive Pompey fan
9) The Cup needs Romance once again
10) I'll probably have a few quid on them

[Simonutd]

what about me i live in wales aswell, and one of the inlaws played until last season for cardif

[jonesy]

Reasons why I want Cardiff to win:
1) Fowler
2) Jonesy
3) when we have been there for finals & Community Shield matches we have been made very welcome by the locals
4) Underdogs
5) Dave Jones (badly treated)
6) Cant wait to hear Wed4life moaning about why they shouldn't be in U.E.F.A cup
7) Any City that has an area called SPLOT has to be a good one!
8) I'm not a massive Pompey fan
9) The Cup needs Romance once again
10) I'll probably have a few quid on them
Yay!!!!!!!:wild

[Shanks1965]

Yay!!!!!!!:wild
Am I back in your good books Jonesy?:icon_mrgr:

[jonesy]

Yes you are!! Shanks you are a legend!:happydance

[ANTON]

I wont bet yet as ive put most of it on man utd to beat wigan , so if they win then half of that will go on portsmouth . :no2:

[ANTON]

Porstmouth by 2 goals.

[Ronaldo]

I'm hoping for the shock, dont really like Pompey. 0-1 to Cardiff

[RedRabbit]

I would like Cardiff to win. Pompey haven't been playing well for some time now, somehow I don't see them deserving a win.

I'm just hoping for an exciting match. :nod

5k on Cardiff :thup winning it 3-1

[wednesday4life]

hopefully, for the good of the game the FA cup is won by the FA member so the FA's uefa cup spot goes to an FA team

[ANTON]

be good to see a championship team win it though .

[wednesday4life]

not in this situation. they aren't even fa members so shouldn't be in fa competition

[ANTON]

I can see your point and dont get me wrong i want portsmouth to win , but they are allowed to enter the facup which they won in 1927 against arsenal .

[jonesy]

not in this situation. they aren't even fa members so shouldn't be in fa competition
Blimey you don't half go on...and on...and on!

1K on Cardiff to win!

[wednesday4life]

whether or not they ARE allowed isn't the point- the point is they SHOULDN'T be allowed

the 1927 win should be chalked off, their entry to next years competition should be rejected and the football league should pass their golden share (and swanseas) to the highest non-promoted conference sides (same should happen in non-league) and leave it that way until they decide whether they want to compete in england and leave the FAW or stay with the FAW and compete in wales

[jonesy]

whether or not they ARE allowed isn't the point- the point is they SHOULDN'T be allowed

the 1927 win should be chalked off, their entry to next years competition should be rejected and the football league should pass their golden share (and swanseas) to the highest non-promoted conference sides (same should happen in non-league) and leave it that way until they decide whether they want to compete in england and leave the FAW or stay with the FAW and compete in wales
...and on...and on:lol

[wednesday4life]

amazingly the welsh can't debate this. they obviously realise the facts aren't on there side

[ANTON]

The real point is they are allowed and they are in the final and YOU cant do a thing about it . And your last win was in 1935 and the only thing im glad u won it was coz you beat the **** .

[wednesday4life]

so now this goes onto when we last won it and away from the point raised again

if we're on winning things- which club not currently in the prem has the most titles?

[ANTON]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[Ronaldo]

I would like Cardiff to win. Pompey haven't been playing well for some time now, somehow I don't see them deserving a win.

I'm just hoping for an exciting match. :nod

5k on Cardiff :thup winning it 3-1

yeah I would lmao if that were the case considering they've been postponing Premiership performances until the Cup Final. They're up against good opposition and will be in for a battle. Let's just hope it wont be a "stick ya bus in front of the goal for 90 mins" from Portsmouth again...

[wednesday4life]

yeah I would lmao if that were the case considering they've been postponing Premiership performances until the Cup Final. They're up against good opposition and will be in for a battle. Let's just hope it wont be a "stick ya bus in front of the goal for 90 mins" from Portsmouth again...
cardiff aren't good by any stretch, pompey have it easy

they don't need to park the bus

[Ronaldo]

cardiff aren't good by any stretch, pompey have it easy
they don't need to park the bus

well they cant be bad to get to the cup final en route beating top flight opponents away from home can they?

[wednesday4life]

well they cant be bad to get to the cup final en route beating top flight opponents away from home can they?
yes they can- look at barnsley, beat liverpool and chelsea but barely stayed up

[Ronaldo]

yes they can- look at barnsley, beat liverpool and chelsea but barely stayed up

yes but the cups completely different - teams raise their game and that will be what Cardiff do. Pompey wont have it easy

[wednesday4life]

yes but the cups completely different - teams raise their game and that will be what Cardiff do. Pompey wont have it easy
finals are different still- theres only so much cardiff can improve, and this time pompey raise it as well rendering it useless

[Craig]

when is this gonna be sorted out exactly?
mods?
anyone?
You, for one should know I just sorted some of it out.

[Simonutd]

You, for one should know I just sorted some of it out.


Well sorted craig :thup


I have deleted 16 posts which have nothing to do with the thread there are more, but they dont have the swearing in, if a mod wants to delete others feel free to do so,

Can we please treat each other with respect, if you dont like something please argue it over PM, if you cant settle it talk to a member of staff to sort it, and if you dont like a post please report it, but if we read it and think your just as bad replying with the same sort of attitude you will get a warning as well

Thanks

The Staff Of MFF

[jonesy]

I'm getting excited now. Not long to wait.

!!!!!C'mon Cardiff!!!!!
:wild:wild:wild:wild:wild:wild:wild:wild:wild:wild
:happydance:eusa_dance::scarf::scarf::moomin::broc coli1ani::banana:n4pclapping:

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

Going to watch this down the pub. come on cardiff.

[wednesday4life]

welsh bastards have no chance

pompey should murder them for the sake of football

[alexxturner]

welsh bastards have no chance

pompey should murder them for the sake of football

WELL SAID!! :red:

[jonesy]

welsh bastards have no chance

pompey should murder them for the sake of football
Well lets hope your Pompey prediction is as accurate as your Carlisle prediction was on Thusrday night..:icon_mrgr:

[wednesday4life]

lets hops it's not

for the sake of all things football cardiff cannot win

[jonesy]

lets hops it's not

for the sake of all things football cardiff cannot win
No,no,no! :no2: There you go again assuming you no1 representative of all things football. Most of us that live in the world of logic, tolerance and common sense have no problem with Cardiff winning the FA cup. What you should have said was..."for the sake of all things Wed4life..."

[wednesday4life]

actually, if you canvas the opinion of english football fans away from this site you'll find the vast majority have a problem with a non-fa team being allowed in fa competitions

but then again, logic (such as the fact that non-fa clubs should not be in fa competitions, i mean, psv can't compete can they?) has never been wales strong point

[jonesy]

actually, if you canvas the opinion of english football fans away from this site you'll find the vast majority have a problem with a non-fa team being allowed in fa competitions

but then again, logic (such as the fact that non-fa clubs should not be in fa competitions, i mean, psv can't compete can they?) has never been wales strong point
...and this sweeping statement you make, that the whole of Wales is illogical, is that an opinion based on prejudice and conjecture, or is that yet another reliable fact you've acquired from these other websites?

[wednesday4life]

its a fact based on what people (well you)have said on here


come on pompey- footballs counting on you

[jonesy]

its a fact based on what people (well you)have said on here


come on pompey- footballs counting on you
You suggesting I have no logic or common sense Mr Wed?:lol

I can but strive to emulate your greatness..

[wednesday4life]

so, should psv be allowed to compete- or is it just the welsh that we should allow in despite not being fa members?

like i say, logic and common sense





for the sake of football pompey MUST win

[gbnine]

actually, if you canvas the opinion of english football fans away from this site you'll find the vast majority have a problem with a non-fa team being allowed in fa competitions

but then again, logic (such as the fact that non-fa clubs should not be in fa competitions, i mean, psv can't compete can they?) has never been wales strong point

And these people who are against the Welsh clubs competing in the FA Cup, what happens when one of their clubs knock out a Welsh team? Is that allowed? Or do they say, "Well, the result doesn't count really, because they're Welsh and they shouldn't be in it. So really we haven't beaten anybody and we'll have to play someone else."

[jonesy]

so, should psv be allowed to compete- or is it just the welsh that we should allow in despite not being fa members?

like i say, logic and common sense





for the sake of football pompey MUST win
I've argued this point with you before, I have no wish to ride the merry-go-round with you again, because you just don't know when to stop. You'll just end up resorting to bad language, nastiness and name calling, and I can't do that. :no2:

Lets just agree to disagree.

Caerdydd, yr adar las - Dewch a'r Cwpan FA yn ol i Gymru!

[wednesday4life]

so these people that are for welsh clubs in the fa cup, why do they not lead the calls for boca juniors to compete?

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

oh not this argument again.

Cardiff should never have been allowed in the English divisions to start off with, because they are welsh. but they were so they have every right to compete in other FA competitions. you cant have them playing in one and not being allowed in another.

FA are twats for putting them in the leagues to start off with

[wednesday4life]

I've argued this point with you before, I have no wish to ride the merry-go-round with you again, because you just don't know when to stop. You'll just end up resorting to bad language, nastiness and name calling, and I can't do that. :no2:

Lets just agree to disagree.

Caerdydd, yr adar las - Dewch a'r Cwpan FA yn ol i Gymru!
why do the welsh seem to hey have their own language and a right to compete in competitions run by organisations they aren't members of

noone has yet given any form of argument as to why non-members should be allowed in a competition for members- in fact all you have done is ignore that point


ah well, next year appparently boca juniors, ajax, inter and kaiserlauten are competing as well- apparently it's as a result of that "country" that should have nothing to do with the cup not minding foreign teams in it

[wednesday4life]

oh not this argument again.

Cardiff should never have been allowed in the English divisions to start off with, because they are welsh. but they were so they have every right to compete in other FA competitions. you cant have them playing in one and not being allowed in another.

FA are twats for putting them in the leagues to start off with
actually they have no right to compete in any

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

actually they have no right to compete in any

they were given the right when the fa accepted them into it. they shouldnt be in the leagues i agree but they have been put into by the FA

[wednesday4life]

they were given the right when the fa accepted them into it
only members have any rights to compete

as non-members it is not their right to compete

[gbnine]

so these people that are for welsh clubs in the fa cup, why do they not lead the calls for boca juniors to compete?

That's as stupid as me saying to you, if you don't like Sheffield United, why don't you like Sheffield FC?

[wednesday4life]

That's as stupid as me saying to you, if you don't like Sheffield United, why don't you like Sheffield FC?
1) that comment makes no sense

2) answer the question, why can some non-members compete but not others?

[jonesy]

why do the welsh seem to hey have their own language and a right to compete in competitions run by organisations they aren't members of

noone has yet given any form of argument as to why non-members should be allowed in a competition for members- in fact all you have done is ignore that point


ah well, next year appparently boca juniors, ajax, inter and kaiserlauten are competing as well- apparently it's as a result of that "country" that should have nothing to do with the cup not minding foreign teams in it
Your memory is as poor as your ability to grasp another person's point of view Mr Wed. When we debated this point several months ago I offered you many facts and reasonable points to support my argument. As I recall, sadly it got me nowhere.

Cardiff are where they belong, and today I hope they win the FA cup.

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

Cardiff are where they belong,

sorry i disagree with that comment.they are welsh so they should be playing in the welsh leagues. that is what wed4life is saying. the thing i am saying is because they are already playing in the English leagues the theres no reason why thy shouldnt be in the cups. but the fact of the matter is they should never have been in the leagues to start off with

[wednesday4life]

what reasonable facts- you offered wrong facts and nothing that said why cardiff should be treat any different to boca

[wednesday4life]

sorry i disagree with that comment.they are welsh so they should be playing in the welsh leagues. that is what wed4life is saying. the thing i am saying is because they are already playing in the English leagues the theres no reason why thy shouldnt be in the cups. but the fact of the matter is they should never have been in the leagues to start off with
theres plenty of reason that the fa should turn down their application- them not being an fa club being just one of them

just because the league allows them in to their competitions doesn't mean the fa have to

[gbnine]

what reasonable facts- you offered wrong facts and nothing that said why cardiff should be treat any different to boca

Are you on about the team from Argentina? :lol

[wednesday4life]

Are you on about the team from Argentina? :lol
why does it matter that they are argentinian- they are just as much fa members as cardiff are and therefore have just as much right to compete

so come on, why should cardiff be allowed and not boca?



or is dodging the question the best argument you have for them?

[jonesy]

sorry i disagree with that comment.they are welsh so they should be playing in the welsh leagues. that is what wed4life is saying. the thing i am saying is because they are already playing in the English leagues the theres no reason why thy shouldnt be in the cups. but the fact of the matter is they should never have been in the leagues to start off with

what reasonable facts- you offered wrong facts and nothing that said why cardiff should be treat any different to boca

I'm settling down to watch the match now. I refuse to be drawn into the argument at this point in time.

Maybe I'll hunt out my "wrong" facts again for you later, and then you can read them and consider the argument No1 and you can ignore and rubbish them Mr Wed.

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

Are you on about the team from Argentina? :lol

wed4life is correct on that comment. if cardiff are let in then theres no reason why any other team for example boca should be let in.

boca are not english
cardiff are not english

so none of them should be playing in the english competitions

[wednesday4life]

what, your going to again (wrongly) tell people cardiff have never competed in wales, and not even try and tell us what makes them different to barcalona

[YIDDO]

I hope Cardiff wins, I don't see the problem, they've been in the English leagues since 1900 and have already won the FA Cup once. Good luck Cardiff.

[jonesy]

what, your going to again (wrongly) tell people cardiff have never competed in wales, and not even try and tell us what makes them different to barcalona
Later Mr Wed, later...

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

it all comes down to this one simple question

are cardiff english or welsh?

[wednesday4life]

they aren't currently, nor have they ever been, a member of the fa and regularly benefit from rather questionable FAW decisions that adversely affect FA teams (several overturned red cards etc.)- how can that not be a problem?

[jonesy]

it all comes down to this one simple question

are cardiff english or welsh?
:no2: No it doesn't.

[gbnine]

wed4life is correct on that comment. if cardiff are let in then theres no reason why any other team for example boca should be let in.

boca are not english
cardiff are not english

so none of them should be playing in the english competitions

But like Yiddo says, they've played in our league for years, so what's the problem?
Put in this way, if the FA Cup was renamed the British Cup, would it be ok for Welsh teams to play in it then?

[wednesday4life]

no- it comes down to a much, much simpler question- are cardiff members of the fa?

[jonesy]

Get ready Mr Wed....

"Mae hen wlad fy nhadau....:lol

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

:no2: No it doesn't.

yes it does they are welsh, so they should play in their own conutry. or is it the welsh wish they were english

im off to the pub

[wednesday4life]

But like Yiddo says, they've played in our league for years, so what's the problem?
Put in this way, if the FA Cup was renamed the British Cup, would it be ok for Welsh teams to play in it then?
if the fa cup was renamed the british cup then it would have to be run by a british fa and would signal the end of british football

and again, it would only be alright if they were members of that fa, otherwise they'd still have no right

[wednesday4life]

Get ready Mr Wed....

"Mae hen wlad fy nhadau....:lol
there you are with that "language" again

can't be arsed ever learning it- shouldn't have to

[wednesday4life]

this is a joke as well- english final, in england and we have to hear a national anthem for what isn't even a nation

[wednesday4life]

and now the welsh bastards appear to be booing the national anthem (thats right THE national anthem, its theirs too thick fuckers)

[gbnine]

Here we go. You were right jonesy :nod

[wednesday4life]

you still haven't said why cardiff should be different to boca- come on, put up or shut up

[wednesday4life]

and cardiff get lucky yet again

[wednesday4life]

pompey doing football proud


beat those dirty welsh bastards

[alexxturner]

1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 GOALLLLL

hahah scummy welsh bastards :red: :red:

Edit - GREAT TACKLE BY SOL CAMPBELL

[wednesday4life]

and just to rub things in the welsh cunts have one disallowed for handball- and rightly so

half time- football 1-0 wales

[gbnine]

you still haven't said why cardiff should be different to boca- come on, put up or shut up

1. Cardiff have bee accepted by the FA and the Football league.

2. Cardiff are a 'local' club, they are located in the British Isles

Not accepting them is like refusing a non-league club promotion to the Football League.
And comparing them to a South American club is ridiculous. Of course we wouldn't accept an Argentinian club if only because of the distance. But Cardiff is only a few miles away from Bristol
and like I say, they're already accepted.
If you don't like the thought of Cardiff playing in the FA Cup then fair enough, that's your opinion. But please respect my view and opinion too.
I dont give a monkeys where a club comes from as long as they're British. I don't know why, but I presume clubs like Cardiff and Swansea applied to join the English Football League because of the lack of competition. They were accepted by the EFL and the FA and have also been accepted by FIFA. There's nothing you can do about it, it's a fact.

[wednesday4life]

accepted by the fa?

they've never even tried to join so how can they have been accepted?

they aren't an fa club so there is no fdifference between them and boca, or inter, or psv, or chengdu blades, or barcelona, or real madrid, or a ******* pub team from japan

[gbnine]

If they haven't been accepted by the FA, why are they in the FA Cup?

[wednesday4life]

they shouldn't be- thats the whole ******* point

[jonesy]

I think its about time they took Hasselbaink off and put Ramsy on.

[wednesday4life]

football's really trying to get a second here

no chance of wlaes beating football today

[gbnine]

they shouldn't be- thats the whole ******* point


That's only YOUR opinion.

The fact is, they are. That's the point!

[wednesday4life]

That's only YOUR opinion.

The fact is, they are. That's the point!
no- thats fact

non members should not be in a competition for fa members and it is also factually correct that cardiff are not members

[jonesy]

C'mon Ramsey, do your stuff and make us proud!

[wednesday4life]

come on football- keep wales out and do us proud

[jonesy]

come on football- keep wales out and do us proud
If you really wanted football to be the winner today then you'd be supporting the most worthy team based on footballing skill, and not just pandering to your petty prejudices.

[wednesday4life]

no- if i really wanted football to win i'd be supporting the team that would be most beneficial to football which has to be the fa members (which in this case is also the better team anyway)

[jonesy]

no- if i really wanted football to win i'd be supporting the team that would be most beneficial to football which has to be the fa members (which in this case is also the better team anyway)
Why would it be more beneficial to football for an FA team to win?

[wednesday4life]

because then the fa are giving the fas european place to an fa team based in the country that the fa has jurisdiction, with no chance of other authorities calling into question whether england and the fa should have the power they do

[jonesy]

because then the fa are giving the fas european place to an fa team based in the country that the fa has jurisdiction, with no chance of other authorities calling into question whether england and the fa should have the power they do
Is that what worries you? That the football associations of other countries might deem it unfair? I don't think they'll be particularly bothered cariad!:no2:


Back to the match. Should have brought Ramsey on earlier.

[wednesday4life]

no- that football associations of other countries will question the need for seperate associations in britain signalling the end of football in this country as we know it

[gbnine]

Unlucky Cardiff!

You did the competition proud! :thumbup:

[jonesy]

Unlucky Cardiff!

You did the competition proud! :thumbup:
Its nice for Harry!:nod

[wednesday4life]

unlucky pompey- should've murdered them, noy just a beating

[Artetas Gem]

I really didnt enjoy that game one bit and i dont know why

[alexxturner]

WAHEYYY
pompey win
pompey win
cardiff arent in europe :red: :red:

[wednesday4life]

a win for football- defeating wales makes it so much sweeter

[wednesday4life]

i thought after football had won we were getting some of those "facts" and reasons cardiff are different to boca

[jonesy]

and now the welsh bastards appear to be booing the national anthem (thats right THE national anthem, its theirs too thick fuckers)

1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 1-0 GOALLLLL

hahah scummy welsh bastards :red: :red:


a win for football- defeating wales makes it so much sweeter

No-one worrying too much that I might be offended then?

[alexxturner]

No-one worrying too much that I might be offended then?

I never meant for any offence jonesy, I just do not like the welsh (except you obviously haha):ninja

[jonesy]

i thought after football had won we were getting some of those "facts" and reasons cardiff are different to boca
I haven't forgotten. Got to go out now my favourite little bull dog. I'll post them later, ok?

[jonesy]

I never meant for any offence jonesy, I just do not like the welsh (except you obviously haha):ninja
:lol Well thats ok then!

[alexxturner]

:lol Well thats ok then!

:lol

[gbnine]

I really didnt enjoy that game one bit and i dont know why

It's because you're hungry :nod

[gbnine]

a win for football- defeating wales makes it so much sweeter

Don't you mean, a win for England - defeating Wales makes it so much sweeter.

A typically prejudice remark we'd expect from you.

[wednesday4life]

no- i definitely mean a win for football

[gbnine]

no- i definitely mean a win for football

Well yes, you're correct. It was a win for football. :S

[wednesday4life]

yeah, obviously it was

the club that has a right to compete beat the one that has absolutely no right to

[gbnine]

yeah, obviously it was

the club that has a right to compete beat the one that has absolutely no right to

But Cardiff also had a right to compete, otherwise they wouldn't have been there.
It's only your opinion that they shouldn't.

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

I really didnt enjoy that game one bit and i dont know why

neither did i . went to the pub to watch it and hardly watched any of it because i found it boring.

[wednesday4life]

But Cardiff also had a right to compete, otherwise they wouldn't have been there.
It's only your opinion that they shouldn't.
they don't have a right to compete- THEY ARE NOT REGISTERED WITH THE FA AND AS SUCH HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO COMPETE IN ENGLISH COMPETITIONS AS BOCA JUNIORS, CRUZEIRO OR AJAX

the fa allowing them does not mean it's their right to do it, it merely means the fa are acting against the interests of the game

[jonesy]

Ok here I go then (although god knows why I bother)...

My objection to people saying that Cardiff don't belong in the English league is that primarily when the league was formed it wasn't an "English" league per se. The divisions were regional and originally were loosely divided by north and south. Cardiff, along with many other Welsh teams (including Pontypridd at one point) and teams such as the London teams, Coventry, Swindon and alike were part of the Southern League second division. After the idea of promotion became a popular one this southern league was made the third tier of the existing professional system that consisted mainly of teams from the North and Midlands, with the exception Woolwich Arsenal.

Therefore Cardiff didn't apply to join the English league, they were already there at its conception. In fact the reverse is true they were asked by the FAW to leave the league and join the Welsh premiership when it was eventually formed.

Naturally they declined, and of course they would because doing so would have been financial suicide. To do so would have placed them in a league where they would be offered no real competition other than Swansea.

Therefore your argument concerning other clubs such as Boca jnrs is nonsense, because as far as I know they weren't there at the birth of the original league system that exists today. Even Scottish clubs don't compare because despite being given the opportunity to join the league at the beginning they instead formed their own.

As for the argument about Cardiff not being governed by the FA. Well that was true of all the Welsh clubs that originally played in the league. It was never sited as a problem then just considered the norm. Whether that should be changed nowadays is a different argument completely. If it is flagged up as a problem then I would imagine Cardiff would be happier to join the FA rather than leave the league. Therefore as far as I can see your animosity should not be directed towards Cardiff FC but rather the FA and FAW.

(Sorry there are no dates, I couldn't be arsed to look them all up, but as this whole post is likely to be in vain I didn't see the point.)

Ok my explosive friend, enough to keep you going there?

[wednesday4life]

Therefore Cardiff didn't apply to join the English league, they were already there at its conceptionwrong- they played in wales before england, therefore had to apply to join any league in the english set-up

In fact the reverse is true they were asked by the FAW to leave the league and join the Welsh premiership when it was eventually formed. all that proves is they don't want to rejoin the pyramid they left in the first place, although they do want to remain FAW members. maybe both FA's should turn down membership

Naturally they declined, and of course they would because doing so would have been financial suicide. To do so would have placed them in a league where they would be offered no real competition other than Swansea.they should never have been allowed to leave the welsh pyramid in the first place so that point really means nothing for the argument

Therefore your argument concerning other clubs such as Boca jnrs is nonsense, because as far as I know they weren't there at the birth of the original league system that exists todaytwo things here
1) neither are members of the fa so the point stands and needs addressing propperly
2) cardiff weren't around at the birth of the original league- those 12 clubs are all north-western english clubs

Even Scottish clubs don't compare because despite being given the opportunity to join the league at the beginning they instead formed their own.
wales also had their own leagues before cardiff came anywhere near england (as proved by them competing in one) and long before they played in the football league so scotland would be exactly the same, as would eire, NI, Italy, france, spain, argentina, timbuktu

As for the argument about Cardiff not being governed by the FA. Well that was true of all the Welsh clubs that originally played in the league. It was never sited as a problem then just considered the norm. Whether that should be changed nowadays is a different argument completely. If it is flagged up as a problem then I would imagine Cardiff would be happier to join the FA rather than leave the league. Therefore as far as I can see your animosity should not be directed towards Cardiff FC but rather the FA and FAW.
they still aren't members and they shouldn't be allowed to compete- it has been proven to be a problem repeatedly due to the FAW apparently wanting to get one over on the FA and help their clubs

and it is cardiffs fault that they haven't joined the FA, so they should be targeted as should every other welsh club

(Sorry there are no dates, I couldn't be arsed to look them all up, but as this whole post is likely to be in vain I didn't see the point.)checked the dates- you are wrong on every point based on those dates

[jonesy]

wrong- they played in wales before england, therefore had to apply to join any league in the english set-up

all that proves is they don't want to rejoin the pyramid they left in the first place, although they do want to remain FAW members. maybe both FA's should turn down membership

they should never have been allowed to leave the welsh pyramid in the first place so that point really means nothing for the argument

two things here
1) neither are members of the fa so the point stands and needs addressing propperly
2) cardiff weren't around at the birth of the original league- those 12 clubs are all north-western english clubs

wales also had their own leagues before cardiff came anywhere near england (as proved by them competing in one) and long before they played in the football league so scotland would be exactly the same, as would eire, NI, Italy, france, spain, argentina, timbuktu


they still aren't members and they shouldn't be allowed to compete- it has been proven to be a problem repeatedly due to the FAW apparently wanting to get one over on the FA and help their clubs

and it is cardiffs fault that they haven't joined the FA, so they should be targeted as should every other welsh club

checked the dates- you are wrong on every point based on those dates
Their were no exclusively Welsh leagues or exclusively English leagues before this time as far as I know. Everything I've read suggests that prior to the formation of the leagues which we've already mentioned, all clubs were amateur and onl played friendlies. If you have information to the contrary then I'd be interested to see it. Show me the existence of an exclusively Welsh league that operated under a points system prior to this time and I'll be happy to accept your point.

[wednesday4life]

before cardif joined the english system they were a member of the welsh amateur system- prior to expansion to three divisions in 1920 (when cardiff first played league football) the welsh football league was formed in 1904

prior to playing in the southern league they were members of the south wales amateur league in 1907. welsh system existed long before they moved to the english system and as such it is right and propper to say they have the sam rights as any other foreign club

[wednesday4life]

theres also the fact that every league was affiliated to either the fa or faw and as such all leagues were either english or welsh

[jonesy]

Really? So which was this then an English or a Welsh league

SOUTHERN LEAGUE Division 2
1914/15 PWDLFAPts 1Stoke241743621538http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Images/GOLD%20UP.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:;) 2Stalybridge Celtic241734472237 3Merthyr Town241554462035 4Swansea Town241617482133 5Coventry City241329563328http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Images/GOLD%20UP.gif (http://javascript<b></b>:;) 6Ton Pentre241167424328 7Brentford24879354523 8Llanelly2410113393221 9Barry246513303517 10Newport County247314274217 11Pontypridd245613315816 12Mid Rhondda243615174912 13Ebbw Vale24312023887
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sorry it didn't copy very well!

[wednesday4life]

technically- as evidenced by it becoming part of the football league- it would be english

and that still shows the joke that is welsh clubs- that group of teams is from the season 10 years after LEAGUE football started in wales but they still wanted to play amateur football in england

[jonesy]

technically- as evidenced by it becoming part of the football league- it would be english

and that still shows the joke that is welsh clubs- that group of teams is from the season 10 years after LEAGUE football started in wales but they still wanted to play amateur football in england
Yes thats right. Your English league is better and superior, I wouldn't argue that point with you. Football has historically played second fiddle to Rugby union in Wales. Its league is never going to be on a par with the English system, thats why clubs that have developed as much as Cardiff and Swansea are never going to want to give up what they've achieved by joining the Welsh league system.

I accept your point too, about them being affiliated to the FAW not being an ideal situation, but that is a point to argue with the associations not the club itself. If football is to be the winner then surely the death of an old and well established Club such as Cardiff by forcing them to leave the only system in which they are likely to develop and florish is not a means to further that cause.

[wednesday4life]

thats why clubs that have developed as much as Cardiff and Swansea are never going to want to give up what they've achieved by joining the Welsh league system.
missing the point again- THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE LEFT THE WELSH LEAGUE IN THE FIRST PLACE. if in 1907 they wanted to join a league why go non league in wales and not become a league side?

when they joind the southern league why did they choose to stay non-league as opposed to becoming a league club?

the only reason they have developed is through their unwillingness to develope (ironic really)

I accept your point too, about them being affiliated to the FAW not being an ideal situation, but that is a point to argue with the associations not the club itself.why when its the club that carries on filling in the paper work and paying the money to the FAW- that makes them responsible from where i'm standing

If football is to be the winner then surely the death of an old and well established Club such as Cardiff by forcing them to leave the only system in which they are likely to develop and florish is not a means to further that cause. if english football is to develope then thats the way to do it- theres well established clubs not in the league because a club that has no right to be there is taking there place. as for them developing, couldn't give a ****, they should never have moved in the first place, so their future developement takes a back seat to the developement of english clubs

[jonesy]

missing the point again- THEY SHOULD NEVER HAVE LEFT THE WELSH LEAGUE IN THE FIRST PLACE. if in 1907 they wanted to join a league why go non league in wales and not become a league side?

when they joind the southern league why did they choose to stay non-league as opposed to becoming a league club?

the only reason they have developed is through their unwillingness to develope (ironic really)

why when its the club that carries on filling in the paper work and paying the money to the FAW- that makes them responsible from where i'm standing

if english football is to develope then thats the way to do it- theres well established clubs not in the league because a club that has no right to be there is taking there place. as for them developing, couldn't give a ****, they should never have moved in the first place, so their future developement takes a back seat to the developement of english clubs
Been fun arguing with you, but I feel like I've already addressed those points so I'm going to stop now. Thank you for debating without resorting to abuse by the way - it's much appreciated!

[gbnine]

I think this is the right thread..........

I had a little bet on Cardiff and Pompey and managed to come out on top. So I'm happy :nod

[jonesy]

I think this is the right thread..........

I had a little bet on Cardiff and Pompey and managed to come out on top. So I'm happy :nod
Sorry if me and Mr Wed hogged the thread a bit there gb.:embaressed

I'm a little disappointed that Cardiff didn't win today. Still it was a great fete to get to the final in the first place. They should be very proud. I think Dave Jones made a big mistake leaving Hasselbaink on so long and not bringing Ramsey on sooner. Bet he's kicking himself now.

[gbnine]

Sorry if me and Mr Wed hogged the thread a bit there gb.:embaressed

I'm a little disappointed that Cardiff didn't win today. Still it was a great fete to get to the final in the first place. They should be very proud. I think Dave Jones made a big mistake leaving Hasselbaink on so long and not bringing Ramsey on sooner. Bet he's kicking himself now.

I think you've got that spot on, jonesy. And you're right, Cardiff did play well and made it a good final. A moment to be treasured for sure, because somehow I can't see them reaching another FA Cup final in our lifetime.
Hey! But you never know :laugh

[RedRabbit]

I found that the only good thing about the final was Cardiff. They played better than Portsmouth. Although I'm sure that Portsmouth would have given a good show, it would only have come about if Cardiff scored first.

Not the best of matches. Portsmouth played with their head, Cardiff with the heart and it showed. Too bad they couldn't get the equalizer at the end. Anyway, congrats to Redknapp and Portsmouth fans.:thup