Madeline McCann - Too Much Coverage?

[boro_boy]

I really hope that she's found a live but its looking more and more less likely due to the time she's been missing. But there are hundreds of children that go missing each and every day. I think its a joke now that they have gone to see the pope and are getting soooo much coverage when at the end of the day it was their fault for being selfish parents.

Am I only thinking like this or does anyone else think the same.

[superally]

I think its a joke now that they have gone to see the pope and are getting soooo much coverage when at the end of the day it was their fault for being selfish parents.

Am I only thinking like this or does anyone else think the same.
I think the same mate.In seeing the pope they are seriously misgiuded.Far better to give publicity to encouraging parents to be responsible for their kids rather than wasting it on 2 irresponsible twats.As you said there are 1000s of missing kids,where is the publicity for them??

[kiko]

Selfish parents?

No.

Hugely irresponsible and negligant? Massively so.

The whole thing is a farce. The "McCann fund", the media circus, visiting the pope, these ribbons etc

What the hell.

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

They must be going through hell at the moment and i really hope she is found, but loads of other people wouldnt get this much coverage..

They should never have left their children alone unsupervised in a foreign country..

[boro_boy]

Yeah just say if you have kids and if one was taken from your house, would you get the coverage she has. No you wouldn't, you might get some little report about them being taken. But not daily updates or anything like that. Its time the news just gave us a brake from them, we all know about whats going on, they give us daily reports on nothing.

[superally]

Selfish parents?

No.

.

Selfish parents?

YES!!!!

Putting their own enjoyment before the safety of their kids..

ID CALL THAT SERIOUSLY SELFISH AND SERIOUSLY IRRESPONSIBLE!!

[boro_boy]

Selfish parents?

No.

Hugely irresponsible and negligant? Massively so.

The whole thing is a farce. The "McCann fund", the media circus, visiting the pope, these ribbons etc

What the hell.
Yes I think it was Selfish of them, why couldn't they have eaten in the place where they were staying? They were thinking of themselves rather than the kids imo.

[kiko]

Selfish parents?
YES!!!!
Putting their own enjoyment before the safety of their kids..
ID CALL THAT SERIOUSLY SELFISH AND SERIOUSLY IRRESPONSIBLE!!

I know what you're saying but I don't think they did it as being selfish, highly naive and idiotic maybe but not selfish.

[superally]

I know what you're saying but I don't think they did it as being selfish, highly naive and idiotic maybe but not selfish.


Dress it up as you like IT IS SELFISH SIMPLE AS!!
Do you have kids yourself??

I have hoildayed all over the world and never left the kids unattended!!

NEVER!!

[kiko]

Calm down you tart. I'm not defending them am I?

Jaysus.

[boro_boy]

Why else would they have gone to the restaurant and left their kids in the bedrooms. They didn't do it for the kids, they done it for themselves so they could eat some food.

[kiko]

I don't believe they went to the restaurant with the thought in mind, fuck the kids I want a top scran here, let them fend for themselves. More the kids are sleeping, they should be okay, we're only popping out for a few minutes.

Which I believe throws them more into the negligent/naive corner than selfish.

[superally]

Calm down you tart. I'm not defending them am I?

Jaysus.


Calm down!!!!

No i fookin wont thrush!!

And yes you are defending them by saying they werent selfish..

It annoys the shit out of me that that lovely wee girl has been taken and is possibly dead because of the actions of her parents...

I have kids and they have always been well cared for.
Now answer my fucking question.do you have kids yourself??????????

[kiko]

:rolleyes:

No I'm not defending them, I called them highly irresponsible and negligent. I think they're not fit to parent children.

AND NO I DON'T HAVE CHILDREN IS THAT OKAY?!!??!

[superally]

:rolleyes:

No I'm not defending them, I called them highly irresponsible and negligent. I think they're not fit to parent children.

AND NO I DON'T HAVE CHILDREN IS THAT OKAY?!!??!


So not being a parent you cant possibly know how a parent feels.

I eat out often......And in their case it was a 10 mins walk to restraunt-then to get seated-waitress come take order=another 10 mins,so far 20 mins,food prepared and cooked another 20/30 mins-going on a 1 course meal!Eat food 20/30 mins,so being generous and going on top class service so far thats an hour-need i go on.THEY NEVER NIPPED DOWNSTAIRS TO MC DONALDS NOW DID THEY?

[kiko]

What the fuck are you arguing about you weirdo?

I'm not defending them. I'm not saying what they did was right. I never claimed I could fully emphasise with a parent who has lost a child. So what the fuck are you arguing about?

[superally]

What the fuck are you arguing about you weirdo?

I'm not defending them. I'm not saying what they did was right. I never claimed I could fully emphasise with a parent who has lost a child. So what the fuck are you arguing about?


Saying they aint selfish is defending them in however slight a way!!

They left the kids for their own enjoyment im not arguinig im stating facts.

As for calling me weirdo, well if you cant see that take a good look at yourself first!!

[kiko]

Right, if you read what I wrote to describe them instead of being selfish you might actually see that I'm not defending them.

I'm baffled. I'm really not defending them.

[boro_boy]

Come on people, lets not start bitching about one another over this. Everyone has their opinion whether its right or wrong. Lets not get into personal attacks please!!

[superally]

Come on people, lets not start bitching about one another over this. Everyone has their opinion whether its right or wrong. Lets not get into personal attacks please!!


Well there can be no defending or excuses of any sort for these people!!

I lost a child to a cot death years ago so i know what its like OK!!

[kiko]

I think you should take a step back and let emotion not take over.

[superally]

I think you should take a step back and let emotion not take over.


Dont tell me about emotion!!

Have you ever been to an old firm game???

[kiko]

Yes loads.

[superally]

Yes loads.


Good lad!! So you know emotion then!!Well im away to the pub to escape big brother whilst you can return to your unselfish world!!

By the way is it gonna be selfish of me to leave the dog on his own or just irresponsible??

And if i leave the door open can i moan if hes gone out when i get back??

[boro_boy]

Both, your unfit to have a dog!!!

[kiko]

Good lad!! So you know emotion then!!Well im away to the pub to escape big brother whilst you can return to your unselfish world!!

By the way is it gonna be selfish of me to leave the dog on his own or just irresponsible??

And if i leave the door open can i moan if hes gone out when i get back??

Maybe when you learn how to argue then we can continue. Until then you carry on acting the fool and putting accross ludicrous arguments such as

"ARE U A PARENT IOMG !"

Really. :rolleyes:

[superally]

Maybe when you learn how to argue then we can continue. Until then you carry on acting the fool and putting accross ludicrous arguments such as
"ARE U A PARENT IOMG !"
Really. :rolleyes:


Go and play in the road!!


OH!! BTW knowing how to argue and win has got me a job earning the kind of money you will only ever dream of earning!!

[kiko]

Congratulations.

[westboy]

for gods sake your both arguing for the same thing - the parents were in the wrong. I'd say there irresponsible rather than selfish but no-one deserves to go through the stress that they must have gone through in the last few weeks.

Similar to the kidney TV programme thing: yes there is disproportionate amount of coverage but rightly so imo, how many people will think twice about leaving their child alone abroad for 30 minutes now?

[kiko]

for gods sake your both arguing for the same thing - the parents were in the wrong. I'd say there irresponsible rather than selfish but no-one deserves to go through the stress that they must have gone through in the last few weeks.
Similar to the kidney TV programme thing: yes there is disproportionate amount of coverage but rightly so imo, how many people will think twice about leaving their child alone abroad for 30 minutes now?

Thank you!

We're arguing over semantics than the actual problem.

[hailhail7]

Heavens. The amount of self rightous bull on this thread is unreal. The amount of media coverage the McCann's have recieved does baffle me slightly given the weans that go missing every day and the amount that are even mentioned. But to describe the McCann's as bad parents etc is wrong. They are good parents who made a misjudgement that they are having to live with. They feel the guilt and they don't need self rightous gits reminding them of it. They went on a family holiday to one of the safest, most child friendly nations on the planet and their daughter has fallen victim to a crime so rare in Portugal that it's almost unheard of in that area. So of all places where they thought the kids could be left in safety, it's reasonable to presume that was one.

[westboy]

Heavens. The amount of self rightous bull on this thread is unreal. The amount of media coverage the McCann's have recieved does baffle me slightly given the weans that go missing every day and the amount that are even mentioned. But to describe the McCann's as bad parents etc is wrong. They are good parents who made a misjudgement that they are having to live with. They feel the guilt and they don't need self rightous gits reminding them of it. They went on a family holiday to one of the safest, most child friendly nations on the planet and their daughter has fallen victim to a crime so rare in Portugal that it's almost unheard of in that area. So of all places where they thought the kids could be left in safety, it's reasonable to presume that was one.
To be fair people have commented on this thread knowing the parents are probably not going to read it but I agree with your sentiments - it's tasteless to just slag off the parents and say how wrong they are when there in so much distress. Not saying they weren't irresponsible but sometimes you have to have a degree of compassion. No-one deserves to go through what they are going through

[kiko]

Heavens. The amount of self rightous bull on this thread is unreal. The amount of media coverage the McCann's have recieved does baffle me slightly given the weans that go missing every day and the amount that are even mentioned. But to describe the McCann's as bad parents etc is wrong. They are good parents who made a misjudgement that they are having to live with. They feel the guilt and they don't need self rightous gits reminding them of it. They went on a family holiday to one of the safest, most child friendly nations on the planet and their daughter has fallen victim to a crime so rare in Portugal that it's almost unheard of in that area. So of all places where they thought the kids could be left in safety, it's reasonable to presume that was one.

Sorry but how do you know they're good parents? Bezzie mates?

All we know is that they've left 3 children unsupervised and as superally would point out that's just no the thing you do with children especially of that age!

That doesn't seem to point to good parents for me.

[histon]

i hope she is found

[hailhail7]

Sorry but how do you know they're good parents? Bezzie mates?
All we know is that they've left 3 children unsupervised and as superally would point out that's just no the thing you do with children especially of that age!
That doesn't seem to point to good parents for me.



It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that these aren't bad parents we are dealing with. Their decisions regarding their other children during this ordeal points to this. They have fallen victim to a rare crime. They were very close to the apartment in a child friendly resort.

So Kiko boy, do you have children? Are they hand cuffed to you at all times?

[poolie_chick]

We were talking about this today, and the media pee me off something rotten.

First of all, they make the parents out to be faultless when they're the people to blame in the first place for being idiotic, irresponsible, greedy, selfish bastards for parents.

Secondly, the girl could have been taken to be sold on to another family and, although not ethically right, could grow up with another family. Now there's that much coverage and the girl is that well known, even if she's given to another family, she'll most probably be killed because they don't want to risk being seen with her... if they were, I very much doubt that the police would even have time to deal with it cos the public would kill the 'new parents' themselves.

All I can say is I hope to god she's still alive and well, but sadly it's looking less likely by the day.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

We were talking about this today, and the media pee me off something rotten.
First of all, they make the parents out to be faultless when they're the people to blame in the first place for being idiotic, irresponsible, greedy, selfish bastards for parents.


Don't talk bollocks.

They were just unlucky.

[Craig]

I'm not sure if this is some sick bastard on my MSN but look:

http://www.uploadz.co.uk/842errr.png

Also I agree with poolie, it is her parents fault she went missing, they'd rather leave their kids on they own why they go out and have fun.

[westboy]

poolie do you really expect the big media companies to be criticising the parents? As I just said I don't have a problem with people saying what they think on a football forum because the parents aren't going to read this but you cannot expect the BBC and other media to just criticse the parents. Also the media coverage is helping the case more than it's hindering it

[Lennon Saviour of E]

but you cannot expect the BBC and other media to just criticse the parents.

Columnists in papers could if they took her line. But they don't as far as I can see. Today in the Mail Amanda Platel didn't - I've not read it even though I read the Mail everyday, but it was put up on another site.

Big mouth Kelvin McKenzie today didn't. Littlejohn hasn't, and he's not shy of giving an opinion even if people don't like it.

[westboy]

I just think it's human nature that we don't want to criticise those who are already down. It's not something I'd want to do given the circumstances even though I believe they were irresponsible - you just feel bad for the parents criticising...

[Lennon Saviour of E]

I just think it's human nature that we don't want to criticise those who are already down. It's not something I'd want to do given the circumstances even though I believe they were irresponsible - you just feel bad for the parents criticising...

It didn't stop Littlejohn when the five Ipswich girls were murdered. With his infamous "Who gives a shit", piece.

[westboy]

5 prostitutes v. One innocent little girl, I think that's the difference.

[kiko]

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that these aren't bad parents we are dealing with. Their decisions regarding their other children during this ordeal points to this. They have fallen victim to a rare crime. They were very close to the apartment in a child friendly resort.
So Kiko boy, do you have children? Are they hand cuffed to you at all times?

I still don't have children no.

I still don't think anything they have done has proven otherwise from them being bad parents.

Secondly, the girl could have been taken to be sold on to another family and, although not ethically right, could grow up with another family. Now there's that much coverage and the girl is that well known, even if she's given to another family, she'll most probably be killed because they don't want to risk being seen with her...

Weird line of thought.

Don't talk bollocks.
They were just unlucky.

Unlucky is really really downplaying what they did.

[westboy]

If nothing had happened to Madeline they would have been lucky and irresponsible, as it was they are unlucky and irresponsible.

[kiko]

Not a big believer in luck. They did something recklessly naive and have sadly paid for it with this ordeal.

[westboy]

Not a big believer in luck. They did something recklessly naive and have sadly paid for it with this ordeal.
Exactly - you shouldn't leave anything to chance when it involves 3 year old children. I was just saying there unlucky because there are other people who've done the same and worst but have got away with it.

[kiko]

Okay, agreed. :)

[superally]

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that these aren't bad parents we are dealing with. Their decisions regarding their other children during this ordeal points to this. They have fallen victim to a rare crime. They were very close to the apartment in a child friendly resort.
So Kiko boy, do you have children? Are they hand cuffed to you at all times?


I have children,and when they were young they were literally handcuffed to me or mrs sa at all times.
If einstein couldnt see this was bad parenting then he must be fookin thick.It was bad parenting simple as.
How do we know it is the only time they have been left alone??
I doubt the parents would own up to it now tho would they..
Good parenting to me is being responsible and caring for your kids at ALL times..

[westboy]

I have children,and when they were young they were literally handcuffed to me or mrs sa at all times.
If einstein couldnt see this was bad parenting then he must be fookin thick.It was bad parenting simple as.
How do we know it is the only time they have been left alone??
I doubt the parents would own up to it now tho would they..
Good parenting to me is being responsible and caring for your kids at ALL times..
Exactly (I don't like this im agreeing with too many people) when kids are that age it's ridiculous to leave them to protect themselves they can't. When there 13 maybe but not 3 years old.

[superally]

Maybe we should have a poll on it.

[Craig]

Maybe we should have a poll on it.

Options:

Yes
No
Her parents are idiots

??? :animatedfear:

[westboy]

Maybe we should have a poll on it.
No need...one person thinks they weren't irresponsible everyone else does.

[superally]

Maybe when you learn how to argue then we can continue. Until then you carry on acting the fool and putting accross ludicrous arguments such as
"ARE U A PARENT IOMG !"
Really. :rolleyes::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::hah aha::hahaha::hahaha::nodyes::nodyes:
this post should be in the jokes thread.

[kiko]

You responded to it yesterday as well.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

5 prostitutes v. One innocent little girl, I think that's the difference.

It wouldn't have been a big deal for Littlejohn to come over all sanctimonious like the pricks on here.

[Craig]

It wouldn't have been a big deal for Littlejohn to come over all sanctimonious like the pricks on here.
Yes but Littlejohn sounds like a twat no one cares about, so he takes his hatred out on other people.

[boro_boy]

It wouldn't have been a big deal for Littlejohn to come over all sanctimonious like the pricks on here.
What has this got to do with Littlejohn? With you, everything is Littlejohn this Littlejohn that. I'm thinking you can't think for yourself and everything you say or agree with is what Littlejohn has said.

[superally]

Don't talk bollocks.
They were just unlucky.


Unlucky is putting all your money on red and it comes up black!!

[boro_boy]

you shouldn't play "luck" games with children. You have a duty to be there with them all the time when you go on holidays. You go as a family and you do everything as a family, well thats how my mam and dad done it. They NEVER once left me or any of my other 3 brothers.

They have been selfish, irresponsible.

[poolie_chick]

Of course they weren't unlucky. I'm not saying they deserve it, not by far, but they certainly played their part. What kind of decent parents leave their 3 toddlers in an appartment on their own, in a foreign place, while they're asleep, while they...PISS OFF AND SCOFF THEIR FACES! :yikes: What the frig do they expect!? The whole point of parenting is to take care of your children, and to do EVERYTHING within your power to ensure that your children are happy, and safe and that they have the highest possible well-being. Leaving them alone while you fcuk off and go fill your fat face IS NOT fulfilling the title of "parent". It's disgusting that they dare act the innocent victims in this.... victims, all be it... but innocent, far from it.

As for the media, I know their intentions are to help find the little girl, but if she was stolen to give to a family, then because of all the media coverage and the little girl now being a world-wide face, the family that she was stolen for may not have killed her in fear of being 'those evil bastards that stole that little girl' in every single person's eyes in the world.

[superally]

Of course they weren't unlucky. I'm not saying they deserve it, not by far, but they certainly played their part. What kind of decent parents leave their 3 toddlers in an appartment on their own, in a foreign place, while they're asleep, while they...PISS OFF AND SCOFF THEIR FACES! :yikes: What the frig do they expect!? The whole point of parenting is to take care of your children, and to do EVERYTHING within your power to ensure that your children are happy, and safe and that they have the highest possible well-being. Leaving them alone while you fcuk off and go fill your fat face IS NOT fulfilling the title of "parent". It's disgusting that they dare act the innocent victims in this.... victims, all be it... but innocent, far from it.
As for the media, I know their intentions are to help find the little girl, but if she was stolen to give to a family, then because of all the media coverage and the little girl now being a world-wide face, the family that she was stolen for may not have killed her in fear of being 'those evil bastards that stole that little girl' in every single person's eyes in the world.


Thats a very good post poolie.:thumbup:

[poolie_chick]

Lol cheers. This topic irrates me cos it seems everyone is full of empathy and nobody sees the whole picture. This little girl should be sat at home, looking at family photos of their nice sunny holiday, with her younger siblings and her mammy and daddy to protect her and make her happy, like a 'normal' little girl would be. Instead she's known as a world-wide face, and in some cases, is seens as a joke, like the thing on MSN. It's a shame this little girl has to suffer cos of her parent's mistake, it really is.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

What has this got to do with Littlejohn? With you, everything is Littlejohn this Littlejohn that. I'm thinking you can't think for yourself and everything you say or agree with is what Littlejohn has said.

Someone was saying the media wouldn't dare criticise the parents. I was explaining that was bollocks.

It's just sites like this that comes out with the sanctimonious bullshit!

It would be very easy for the media to do the same - if they so wished.

Got it yet - or is it you who can't think for yourself?

[superally]

Another good post!!poolie.

I Agree totally.I just dont like the thrushes who actually say the parents werent being selfish..If they wasnt surely one would have stayed minding the kids whilst the other nipped out for a takeaway..like me and mrs Sa always did.

Thrush=irritating c*nt btw.

[superally]

Someone was saying the media wouldn't dare criticise the parents. I was explaining that was bollocks.
It's just sites like this that comes out with the sanctimonious bullshit!
It would be very easy for the media to do the same - if they so wished.
Got it yet - or is it you who can't think for yourself?
Behave lennon-you either quote little-john or are too blinded by your own very small world of the mail to actually see or say anything intelligent..You cant even add a thoughtful comment at the end of your boring c&p threads.

[poolie_chick]

Another good post!!poolie.

I Agree totally.I just dont like the thrushes who actually say the parents werent being selfish..If they wasnt surely one would have stayed minding the kids whilst the other nipped out for a takeaway..like me and mrs Sa always did.

Thrush=irritating c*nt btw.

If they wanted to go out and have nice knock up meals and all that kind of crap while they were away then they should have left the kids at home. I dread to think what their understanding of a "family holiday" was.

[boro_boy]

Someone was saying the media wouldn't dare criticise the parents. I was explaining that was bollocks.

It's just sites like this that comes out with the sanctimonious bullshit!

It would be very easy for the media to do the same - if they so wished.

Got it yet - or is it you who can't think for yourself?
Oh right, sorry miss interpreted what you meant.

I've not been taken any notice of the news which whats been going on. All I know is she's gone missing, because they left her in the room whilst they were enjoying themselves.

I do think for myself, all the time in fact and its easy for us to say this on the site because its the truth. They are now classed as bad parents in my mind. They don't deserve what they have had happen to them, but it has and it WAS easily preventable.

[superally]

Oh right, sorry miss interpreted what you meant.

I've not been taken any notice of the news which whats been going on. All I know is she's gone missing, because they left her in the room whilst they were enjoying themselves.

I do think for myself, all the time in fact and its easy for us to say this on the site because its the truth. They are now classed as bad parents in my mind. They don't deserve what they have had happen to them, but it has and it WAS easily preventable.


Why did you try justifying yourself to a one cell like lennon??

[poolie_chick]

:roflmao: @ "One cell like Lennon"

[boro_boy]

Why did you try justifying yourself to a one cell like lennon??
Because I miss read what he was saying.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Why did you try justifying yourself to a one cell like lennon??

Anyone who can't grasp how insightful I am is a retard.

Or just kidding themselves.

[boro_boy]

Can we stay on topic please!! I don't want this to be a bitching thread between members.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Can we stay on topic please!! I don't want this to be a bitching thread between members.

Why ever not?

I'm off anyway to watch my taping of Ch4 news - yes I am very well informed aren't I, and don't just read the Kings stuff as some claim.

I've had a tough day twatting a load of wrist-happy adolecent Leftie mongs on 365. I've not finished with em yet. But that will have to wait until tomorrow.

[poolie_chick]

How insightful you are is just a retard?? Lennon, this thread is opinions based on the so-called 'facts' that the media present to us. Everyone has their own opinion and you're entitled to yours. Nobody is saying that it's a fact that yours is wrong, it's just an opinion, as is yours. Deal with it.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

How insightful you are is just a retard?? Lennon, this thread is opinions based on the so-called 'facts' that the media present to us. Everyone has their own opinion and you're entitled to yours. Nobody is saying that it's a fact that yours is wrong, it's just an opinion, as is yours. Deal with it.
Oh Gawd do I have to simplify EVERYTHING.
MMMmmmmmmmmm. Someone was on about my posts in GENERAL!

[poolie_chick]

Take a stress pill... they work wonders :)

[hailhail7]

It wouldn't have been a big deal for Littlejohn to come over all sanctimonious like the pricks on here.



I never thought I'd be coming down on the side of Lennon, first time for everything I suppose. But sanctimonious is a good word to describe the two faced folks on here claiming that they've never been further from their children unsupervised than the McCann's on that night. Difference being that the McCann's were seriously unfortunate.

[poolie_chick]

When the kids in my family are in my care, I most certainly wouldn't leave them anything like the McCann parents did. Yes, it was a mistake, but unfortunate? Unfortunate is when it rains when you wear a t-shirt, or losing a tenner in your pocket when you're pissed... Your kid getting kid-napped cos you LEFT HER ALONE IN A FOREIGN PLACE is not unfortunate, it's self-inflicted, though not deserved.

If I go out and get pissed on a Friday night and then I'm sick on the Saturday, it's not unfortunate cos what else can I expect if I go drinking! It's the same with the McCann family. It doesn't matter where you are, kids shouldn't be left alone for that amount of time when you can't see them.

[hailhail7]

When the kids in my family are in my care, I most certainly wouldn't leave them anything like the McCann parents did. Yes, it was a mistake, but unfortunate? Unfortunate is when it rains when you wear a t-shirt, or losing a tenner in your pocket when you're pissed... Your kid getting kid-napped cos you LEFT HER ALONE IN A FOREIGN PLACE is not unfortunate, it's self-inflicted, though not deserved.
If I go out and get pissed on a Friday night and then I'm sick on the Saturday, it's not unfortunate cos what else can I expect if I go drinking! It's the same with the McCann family. It doesn't matter where you are, kids shouldn't be left alone for that amount of time when you can't see them.



It's not unfortunate? Do you know how rare child abduction in Portugal is? Do you know the odds of child abduction in the western world. Very rare indeed. And what makes you think these people were out getting drunk? They were on holiday having a meal in a reputedly safe resort.

[poolie_chick]

I never said they were getting drunk... I used me getting drunk then having a hangover as an analogy if you read my post properly, thank you.

They were scoffing their faces when their daughter was taken. As for things being rare... what the fuck does that matter!!! If there is a 0.0000000000000001% chance of something happening to your children, then you stay with them and PROTECT THEM.

Lets use the Holly and Jessica as an example... We could say 'well care takers killing children is rare so checks on care takers going into schools shouldn't be done'... it's just insanity. It's the same here, there is ALWAYS a possibility of something happening to your children, whether you're there with them or not. Difference is, if you're there, you can prevent it happening. They weren't there for their daughter. They stupidly failed her.

[boro_boy]

The resort is only safe until something happens like this. Would you class it as still safe now, I wouldn't. No place is safe from opportunist crime. They had probably done this a few times as the person knew they were out and the kids where in. Only an assumption so please don't rip my head off.

[poolie_chick]

Totally agree with you, BB.

[westboy]

I never said they were getting drunk... I used me getting drunk then having a hangover as an analogy if you read my post properly, thank you.
They were scoffing their faces when their daughter was taken. As for things being rare... what the fuck does that matter!!! If there is a of something happening to your children, then you stay with them and PROTECT THEM.

The alcohol analogy is rubbish because one is far more likely than the other. So is th 0.0000000000000001% chance point - what are the chances of a 3 year old getting run over even if you cross the road with them - higher than that. I'm not trying to be petty but they would have felt that it was worth taking the risk even if subconsciously, like you I wouldn't have done but your post is factually wrong.

[hailhail7]

I never said they were getting drunk... I used me getting drunk then having a hangover as an analogy if you read my post properly, thank you.
They were scoffing their faces when their daughter was taken. As for things being rare... what the fuck does that matter!!! If there is a 0.0000000000000001% chance of something happening to your children, then you stay with them and PROTECT THEM.
Lets use the Holly and Jessica as an example... We could say 'well care takers killing children is rare so checks on care takers going into schools shouldn't be done'... it's just insanity. It's the same here, there is ALWAYS a possibility of something happening to your children, whether you're there with them or not. Difference is, if you're there, you can prevent it happening. They weren't there for their daughter. They stupidly failed her.


I don't want to read your post properly because it contains so much drivel. What's with the Holly/Jessica comparison? Who's suggesting check's on convicted child abusers shouldn't happpen. Unfortunately it's not quite as rare here as it is in Portugal. Did your mummy sit over you for 9 hours while you slept? Just in case the bogey man came calling? I doubt it. You mention the 0.0000000001% risk and how you'd not even risk that. Pop question.............................do you drive? Do you take your children in the car? Do you take your kids up in a plane.

[westboy]

Going back to the media coverage bit I think there is a great oppurtunity for the press to send the message to everyone saying that they shouldn't leave 3 year olds alone for any length of time especially in a foreign country. I know people next week are going to think twice about leaving kids in the hotel/appartment alone but in five years the media coverage won't have had the same effect on people. The parents have come out and said no-one feels as guilty as they do but to be fair you can't expect them to go on about feeling guilty as they are probably in a fragile state.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

I never thought I'd be coming down on the side of Lennon, first time for everything I suppose. But sanctimonious is a good word to describe the two faced folks on here claiming that they've never been further from their children unsupervised than the McCann's on that night. Difference being that the McCann's were seriously unfortunate.

Well done Jock! There's hope for you yet.

(I'm wondering what you haven't agreed with me in the past on?)

[poolie_chick]

I don't want to read your post properly because it contains so much drivel. What's with the Holly/Jessica comparison? Who's suggesting check's on convicted child abusers shouldn't happpen. Unfortunately it's not quite as rare here as it is in Portugal. Did your mummy sit over you for 9 hours while you slept? Just in case the bogey man came calling? I doubt it. You mention the 0.0000000001% risk and how you'd not even risk that. Pop question.............................do you drive? Do you take your children in the car? Do you take your kids up in a plane.

I'm using the Holly and Jessica comparison cos you're saying that cos it's rare, it's ok to leave the kids.... well in that case, care takers killing kids is rare so it's ok not to do checks on them, surely? Don't think so.

As for taking the 0.000000001% risk, no, it's not worth it. Cos at the end of the day, If I had children, I'd rather see them blossom into someone I'm proud of instead of sacrificing them for a quick scoff.

With the driving crap you came out with, that's completely different, cos:
1. you can't protect your kids from everything, and things like crossing the road, travelling, them falling over and hurting themselves, an accident happening can't be prevented all of the time... BUT YOU CAN BE THERE WITH THEM. So the driving thing is totally disrecarded cos you're with your children in the car. If you let a 3yr old girl drive herself to nursery, then you've got the same kind of situation, yea.
2. If ever an accident happened while you were in the car, you can react and try to change the situation. When you leave your child while you fill your fat fucking gut, there's no way you can stop someone from taking her, is there.

It's what you call common sense, me love.

Oh. and no, mammy (not mummy :)) didn't watch over me while I slept... but she most certainly didn't wait until we went abroad, then fucked off and left me while I was asleep and in an unfamiliar place surrounded by unfamiliar people, who, whether the occurance is rare or not, you cannot trust for the simple fact of not knowing them. My mam considered life-taking risks before fuckin' off for a bit of scran, you see.

[kiko]

Going back to the media coverage bit I think there is a great oppurtunity for the press to send the message to everyone saying that they shouldn't leave 3 year olds alone for any length of time especially in a foreign country. I know people next week are going to think twice about leaving kids in the hotel/appartment alone but in five years the media coverage won't have had the same effect on people. The parents have come out and said no-one feels as guilty as they do but to be fair you can't expect them to go on about feeling guilty as they are probably in a fragile state.

!!

If parents can't think that for themselves without this incident then God help us.

[poolie_chick]

The parents have come out and said no-one feels as guilty as they do but to be fair you can't expect them to go on about feeling guilty as they are probably in a fragile state.

THEIR FRAGILE STATE!!!!???? If you think they're in a so-called fragile state, imagine the state that their little baby girl is in, if she is even alive still!! And it's because they left her. There was one way to prevent this from happening. Stay with your kids like a parent is meant to.

[kiko]

The McCanns are jetting off to spain to raise some more awareness. Without their twins.

Some people.

[poolie_chick]

OMG!!! If this is true, the parents need shooting!!!!! :ranting: this topic infuriates me so bad!!!!!

[Lennon Saviour of E]

THEIR FRAGILE STATE!!!!???? If you think they're in a so-called fragile state, imagine the state that their little baby girl is in, if she is even alive still!! And it's because they left her. There was one way to prevent this from happening. Stay with your kids like a parent is meant to.

Oh do shut it girl!

[poolie_chick]

You shut it, you prat. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, especially on something like this where it's a world-wide situation now.

Why don't you just stop being a narrow-minded idiot. Cos so far, there's only you and Hailhail who agree with each other, and everyone else opposes, so why don't you just sit down in the corner and keep quiet until you can say something productive in this thread other than 'I'm right, I'm a dickhead, everyone should agree with me, if not, I'll take a fanny fit and act the prat that I am'. Grow up. Little boy.

[lisbon67]

You are all very quick to judge.

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"-Big JC

Imagine it happened to you for fuck sake. Have some sympathy people !

[poolie_chick]

We do have sympathy. Of course we do.... primarily for the little girl who has/is suffering, her siblings who no longer wake up next to their sister, and, despite their irresponsible, naive behaviour, the parents... cos whether they failed to protect their daughter or not, there's no denying that they love her and nobody deserves to have their own flesh and blood taken from them.

We don't lack sympathy. We just don't empathise with the way the media are portraying the parents. Or most of us don't, anyway.

[kiko]

You are all very quick to judge.

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"-Big JC

Imagine it happened to you for fuck sake. Have some sympathy people !

I think there is sympathy boss. I just think people also appreciate how selfish (hehe) and reckless the parents were.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

As an expert on child rearing, I should say parents (particularly neurotic mums - there's a lot of em about you know) are too paranoid as it is. They need to get a fucking grip!

There's more to bringing kids up than protecting them from pervs around every corner.

It was just one of them things - as all the decent columnists have attested.

It's just mongs on the internet that think otherwise.

[poolie_chick]

Calling someone a mong on the internet is rich coming from a prick who can't be open-minded about something that's came to the world's attention. Not everyone in the world is going to agree, and it's not just "on the internet"... people are talking about this everywhere, you ignorant prat.

Of course there's more to parenting than protecting your kids from perverts... there's also stuff like showing them you love them, and helping them to develop into healthy, proud human beings, and leaving them on their own while you scoff your face... oh no, no, no... that's not a part of parenting is it!

[Craig]

As an expert on child rearing, I should say parents (particularly neurotic mums - there's a lot of em about you know) are too paranoid as it is. They need to get a fucking grip!
There's more to bringing kids up than protecting them from pervs around every corner.
It was just one of them things - as all the decent columnists have attested.
It's just mongs on the internet that think otherwise.
Nearly everything you say involves people who write columns in newspapers? Can you not think for yourself?

Anyway, the parents will know it's partly they fault, and that they are idiots, and that they have learned not to be greedy cunts. Now lets have the press saying what they really think. It's gone too far now, if someone went missing in they own country they wouldn't get no where near this much news coverage.

[poolie_chick]

And like it was mentioned in another thread, if it was a poor, not-so-well-off family who had left their daughter while they went to the take-away and she got took, the parents would be portrayed by the media as most people view the McCann parents in this thread - irresponsible.

[kiko]

As an expert on child rearing, I should say parents (particularly neurotic mums - there's a lot of em about you know) are too paranoid as it is. They need to get a fucking grip!
There's more to bringing kids up than protecting them from pervs around every corner.
It was just one of them things - as all the decent columnists have attested.
It's just mongs on the internet that think otherwise.

You're getting a few people to bite. I like it.

6/10.

[poolie_chick]

For making a tit out of yourself, Lennon: 10/10. :) Well done, at least you've achieved something.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

For making a tit out of yourself, Lennon: 10/10. :) Well done, at least you've achieved something.

It's you that is the tit luv.

I blame your parents.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Nearly everything you say involves people who write columns in newspapers? Can you not think for yourself?


I've been through all that dick! Just pointing out that those of us who are more intelligent than yer average cretin in the street take a different view from the lynch mob.

[Craig]

I've been through all that dick! Just pointing out that those of us who are more intelligent than yer average cretin in the street take a different view from the lynch mob.
I don't think you're intelligent...... I think you just got no friends so you try and act clever. But that failed when you posted.

[kiko]

Come on. Someone has to play Devil's advocate to stimulate discussion. Lets not get personal.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Come on. Someone has to play Devil's advocate to stimulate discussion. Lets not get personal.

Leave the prick alone. If he's too dim to see how smart I am, that's his problem.

[Simonutd]

Leave the prick alone. If he's too dim to see how smart I am, that's his problem.

craigs not dim he quite clever, only person on this site thats seems quite smart is 4141 and superally, i thought you were about 12 till you did a post and mentioned you had a wife

[hailhail7]

I'm using the Holly and Jessica comparison cos you're saying that cos it's rare, it's ok to leave the kids.... well in that case, care takers killing kids is rare so it's ok not to do checks on them, surely? Don't think so.
As for taking the 0.000000001% risk, no, it's not worth it. Cos at the end of the day, If I had children, I'd rather see them blossom into someone I'm proud of instead of sacrificing them for a quick scoff.
With the driving crap you came out with, that's completely different, cos:
1. you can't protect your kids from everything, and things like crossing the road, travelling, them falling over and hurting themselves, an accident happening can't be prevented all of the time... BUT YOU CAN BE THERE WITH THEM. So the driving thing is totally disrecarded cos you're with your children in the car. If you let a 3yr old girl drive herself to nursery, then you've got the same kind of situation, yea.
2. If ever an accident happened while you were in the car, you can react and try to change the situation. When you leave your child while you fill your fat fucking gut, there's no way you can stop someone from taking her, is there.
It's what you call common sense, me love.
Oh. and no, mammy (not mummy :)) didn't watch over me while I slept... but she most certainly didn't wait until we went abroad, then fucked off and left me while I was asleep and in an unfamiliar place surrounded by unfamiliar people, who, whether the occurance is rare or not, you cannot trust for the simple fact of not knowing them. My mam considered life-taking risks before fuckin' off for a bit of scran, you see.



The driving point is there to highlight the improbability of your 0.0000000000001% theory and sure enough you contradicted yourself because even when you are with your kids there is a higher probability than that that harm can come to you or your weans. Simply because in a car you can't control what other drivers do. So get that right up you.

You also totally ignore the fact that I said such a crime is almost unheard of IN PORTUGAL. Read my posts properly, doll.

[hailhail7]

craigs not dim he quite clever, only person on this site thats seems quite smart is 4141 and superally, i thought you were about 12 till you did a post and mentioned you had a wife



I now know that Supers has a double account.



And Lennon is a smart kid. Just don't take away his copy of the Daily Mail. Otherwise he's fucked.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

, i thought you were about 12 till you did a post and mentioned you had a wife

Yeah sure you did. And just the one as well eh.

Not only am I a brilliant parent, but a great husband as well (so the wife tells me in a round about way).

I am after all the intelligent grown up on this site. That should have been clear even to you. A long time ago.

[kiko]

Now I definately know you're on the wind up. :0)

[boro_boy]

You are all very quick to judge.

"let he who is without sin cast the first stone"-Big JC

Imagine it happened to you for fuck sake. Have some sympathy people !
It would never happen to me. I wouldn't dream of leaving my kids (if I ever have them) alone, in a locked room, in a foreign place. Its stupidity, selfishness and irresponsible.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Now I definately know you're on the wind up. :0)

I take it you're joking? I never do wind ups - that's just a waste of time innit.

I'm far above that sort of nonsense.

[boro_boy]

Please can we stop the insults, its the third time now i'm asking!!! There is no need for personal insults on this thread, if you disagree with something then just say why, there is no need for the name calling at all.

[kiko]

I take it you're joking? I never do wind ups - that's just a waste of time innit.
I'm far above that sort of nonsense.

Of course my friend. Of course.

[Comanche_Country]

I really hope that she's found a live but its looking more and more less likely due to the time she's been missing. But there are hundreds of children that go missing each and every day. I think its a joke now that they have gone to see the pope and are getting soooo much coverage when at the end of the day it was their fault for being selfish parents.

Am I only thinking like this or does anyone else think the same.
I really think that this much coverage will help stop these terrible things from happening in the future, and i think seeing the pope will help their cause, because he will reach out to the whole catholic comunitee, which happens to be the continents largest followed religion, and also the pope is one of the most respected men on the planet.
this whole publicity circus is not just to find maddie, but it is to stop this from happening to other children. It makes parents think before they act, this will always be in the back of their minds when they are making decicions about their children, and i hope it really does help. but most of all i hope they find the wee girl alive very soon

[kiko]

This coverage will have the grand amount of fuck all on the effect of future abdutions. You're being naive if you think that because something like this has happened it will change people.

[Comanche_Country]

This coverage will have the grand amount of fuck all on the effect of future abdutions. You're being naive if you think that because something like this has happened it will change people.
mate, thsi happend in australia in the 1970's, two girls were taken from a beach in adelaide and never found and the media coverage changed everyone, people always say remember what happened to the two girls.

and why the nastiness?

[kiko]

I'm not being nasty :confused:

It doesn't change the mentality of the people that carry out the acts was my point.

[Comanche_Country]

I'm not being nasty :confused:

It doesn't change the mentality of the people that carry out the acts was my point.
ahhh ok, but what i ment was that it will make parents think before they act.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

I really think that this much coverage will help stop these terrible things from happening in the future, and i think seeing the pope will help their cause, because he will reach out to the whole catholic comunitee, which happens to be the continents largest followed religion, and also the pope is one of the most respected men on the planet.


Oh my Gawd! :animatedfear:

[superally]

I'm not being nasty :confused:

It doesn't change the mentality of the people that carry out the acts was my point.


Well try making a point instead of talking in the usual bolox and riddles you come out with!!

The obvious statement being made is it will make PARENTS a lot more aware and cautious of the dangers these sickos pose.therefore a lot more careful with their kids and dare i say it. LESS SELFISH.IE putting the kids safety before their own enjoyment.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Well try making a point instead of talking in the usual bolox and riddles you come out with!!
The obvious statement being made is it will make PARENTS a lot more aware and cautious of the dangers these sickos pose.therefore a lot more careful with their kids and dare i say it. LESS SELFISH.IE putting the kids safety before their own enjoyment.

I've already explained. Parents are too paranoid as it is.

[kiko]

Ah but does the cuckoo fly by the barn of optimism?

Exactly.

[superally]

Bargain..2 idiots ^^^^^^talking a load of sh1te on a very senetive subject..

[westboy]

Whether it's right or wrong many parents have done the same thing. With the media coverage now parents are going to think twice about doing it aren't they? Or they would if the media didn't make out the parents to be completely innocent

[kiko]

Bargain..2 idiots ^^^^^^talking a load of sh1te on a very senetive subject..

Oh grow up. You've acted like a complete fanny for this entire thread when ever someone has dared utter something on your hymn sheet.

Give it a rest.

[superally]

Oh grow up. You've acted like a complete fanny for this entire thread when ever someone has dared utter something on your hymn sheet.
Give it a rest.


Congratulations!!!!!

Youve just won this years Shit talking award..
Now go back to school pathetic little boy.

[kiko]

I'm just going to ignore you.

I don't have time for you being sanctimonious.

[superally]

I'm just going to ignore you.

I don't have time for you being sanctimonious.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

[poolie_chick]

The driving point is there to highlight the improbability of your 0.0000000000001% theory and sure enough you contradicted yourself because even when you are with your kids there is a higher probability than that that harm can come to you or your weans. Simply because in a car you can't control what other drivers do. So get that right up you.
You also totally ignore the fact that I said such a crime is almost unheard of IN PORTUGAL. Read my posts properly, doll.

I did read your post properly, "pet". I CLEARLY did not ignore that you said the crime is almost unheard of in Portugal, cos you even used where I acknowledged that in your post with the 0.0000000001% chance stuff. Doesn't matter how 'unheard of' it is, if there's the slightest, the most micoscopic chance that it may just possibily happen, then, as a parent, you do what you can to protect your children!

As for the car crap, you saying that you're putting your kids in danger is true. Everyone takes that risk when they put their children in the car, but you're still with them, hence the responsibility, cos you're not doing something that is known as harmful are you. When someone leaves children alone, everyone automatically thinks 'Oh my god, what if something happened to them'... when you put someone in a car, nobody says 'ok, there's going to be an accident today so I think we won't drive', and fact of the matter is, driving and being in a car is a way of life in the UK at least, leaving your kids to go scoff your big fat greedy fuckin' face IS NOT. So no, "pet", I did not contradict myself, thank you. :)

[poolie_chick]

I've already explained. Parents are too paranoid as it is.

Well if I was the McCann parents, I'd rather think I was too paranoid than too loose... that way, I'd still have my daughter by my side. Don't care what you say, a parent should sacrifice their lives for their children, so being paranoid shouldn't be a rod off any parent's back for as long as it means they're safe. The McCann parents couldn't even sacrifice food for their children, on a....

FAMILY!!!!! holiday

[superally]

Well if I was the McCann parents, I'd rather think I was too paranoid than too loose... that way, I'd still have my daughter by my side. Don't care what you say, a parent should sacrifice their lives for their children, so being paranoid shouldn't be a rod off any parent's back for as long as it means they're safe. The McCann parents couldn't even sacrifice food for their children, on a....
FAMILY!!!!! holiday


Totally agree!!

Well said girl x2^^^

[poolie_chick]

Well some people that contribute to this thread are just dickheads to put it quite blunt.

If opinions differ then fair enough, but to say that anyone who disagrees is a prick and a dickhead and all the rest of it is just making yourself look plain stupid cos the majority of this friggin' world will have an opinion on this subject, and believe me, there will be more than just the "internet mongs" to use Lennon's idiotic words, that have a similar opinion to the likes of SA, BB and myself.

[kiko]

If opinions differ then fair enough, but to say that anyone who disagrees is a prick and a dickhead and all the rest of it is just making yourself look plain stupid

Well some people that contribute to this thread are just dickheads

Arf! :0)

[hailhail7]

I did read your post properly, "pet". I CLEARLY did not ignore that you said the crime is almost unheard of in Portugal, cos you even used where I acknowledged that in your post with the 0.0000000001% chance stuff. Doesn't matter how 'unheard of' it is, if there's the slightest, the most micoscopic chance that it may just possibily happen, then, as a parent, you do what you can to protect your children!
As for the car crap, you saying that you're putting your kids in danger is true. Everyone takes that risk when they put their children in the car, but you're still with them, hence the responsibility, cos you're not doing something that is known as harmful are you. When someone leaves children alone, everyone automatically thinks 'Oh my god, what if something happened to them'... when you put someone in a car, nobody says 'ok, there's going to be an accident today so I think we won't drive', and fact of the matter is, driving and being in a car is a way of life in the UK at least, leaving your kids to go scoff your big fat greedy fuckin' face IS NOT. So no, "pet", I did not contradict myself, thank you. :)



The 0.000000001% chance stuff that you started with was a nonsense from the start. You cannot be with your children all the time. And if being 40 yards from them without supervision makes you a bad parent(plus all the other insults)then that makes for a hell of a lot of bad parents in this world. It makes my parents bad(which they weren't)and possibly yours too. I think it's a sad statement of affairs. And it makes for a lot of hypocrites.

[hailhail7]

Well some people that contribute to this thread are just dickheads to put it quite blunt.
If opinions differ then fair enough, but to say that anyone who disagrees is a prick and a dickhead and all the rest of it is just making yourself look plain stupid cos the majority of this friggin' world will have an opinion on this subject, and believe me, there will be more than just the "internet mongs" to use Lennon's idiotic words, that have a similar opinion to the likes of SA, BB and myself.


Another contradiction. Ya stupid wee tart.

[superally]

And if being 40 yards from them without supervision makes you a bad parent(plus all the other insults)then that makes for a hell of a lot of bad parents in this world.
Apparently the restraunt they were at was a ten minute walk away tho!!

[boro_boy]

If thats the case then that is disgusting!!! They are unfit to be parents, totally without a doubt.

[superally]

If thats the case then that is disgusting!!! They are unfit to be parents, totally without a doubt.

Yeah the initial comments were they nipped down stairs for some food,but when they showed the place on the telly it was a fair distance away,the reporter said it took him 10 mins to walk there at a decent pace.

[boro_boy]

Yeah the initial comments were they nipped down stairs for some food,but when they showed the place on the telly it was a fair distance away,the reporter said it took him 10 mins to walk there at a decent pace.
Well if anyone defends that they are probably just as bad with their kids.

[superally]

Well if anyone defends that they are probably just as bad with their kids.

Well its a very emotional subject mate.I can only speak as a parent who has lost a baby,tho in completly different circumstances i know.To this day 20 years later mrs sa still thinks,what if i never put her in her cot for a sleep and thoughts like that.Totally blameless but still feels guilt!!Thats why i get so annoyed at inbreds like kiko! THIS WAS PREVENTABLE!!

[poolie_chick]

The 0.000000001% chance stuff that you started with was a nonsense from the start. You cannot be with your children all the time. And if being 40 yards from them without supervision makes you a bad parent(plus all the other insults)then that makes for a hell of a lot of bad parents in this world. It makes my parents bad(which they weren't)and possibly yours too. I think it's a sad statement of affairs. And it makes for a lot of hypocrites.

If they left them alone in their own house or something while they nipped to the shop that's bad enough but it's understandable... at home, they know the area, the neighbourhood, the people who live around, and people know them too.... BUT ABROAD!! It's taking the piss. What else do they expect.

And what the fuck's with calling me a tart you daft bastard? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you narrow-minded fool.

[boro_boy]

If they left them alone in their own house or something while they nipped to the shop that's bad enough but it's understandable... at home, they know the area, the neighbourhood, the people who live around, and people know them too.... BUT ABROAD!! It's taking the piss. What else do they expect.

And what the fuck's with calling me a tart you daft bastard? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you narrow-minded fool.
Oh here we go again, more personal attacks, they are not needed on the forum, why are people still insulting other members. We are a small community and the last thing we need is for people to give each other personal attacks.

Yes this is a very emotional thread for some, but All I ask is for you to think about NOT insulting people before you post your reply!!!!

Thanks

[superally]

Oh here we go again, more personal attacks, they are not needed on the forum, why are people still insulting other members. We are a small community and the last thing we need is for people to give each other personal attacks.

Yes this is a very emotional thread for some, but All I ask is for you to think about NOT insulting people before you post your reply!!!!

Thanks
Fair comment,tho maybe harder for some of us who have lost or our relatives or close friends have lost children by whatever means.

[poolie_chick]

Fair comment,tho maybe harder for some of us who have lost or our relatives or close friends have lost children by whatever means.

Exactly.

And it's the stupid twats of the forum who started the whole personal attack things cos they can't face the fact that everyone on this forum is entitled and equally 'qualified' to air their opinion on such a sensitive subject. How the hell does me making an opinion along with everyone else on this forum make me a tart??

[superally]

Exactly.
And it's the stupid twats of the forum who started the whole personal attack things cos they can't face the fact that everyone on this forum is entitled and equally 'qualified' to air their opinion on such a sensitive subject. How the hell does me making an opinion along with everyone else on this forum make me a tart??
Ignorance girl thats how!

[boro_boy]

Exactly.

And it's the stupid twats of the forum who started the whole personal attack things cos they can't face the fact that everyone on this forum is entitled and equally 'qualified' to air their opinion on such a sensitive subject. How the hell does me making an opinion along with everyone else on this forum make me a tart??
I understand where you coming from. It just doesn't help the discussion/arguments with personal attacks as everyone starts arguing about the personal attacks and not the actual talking point.

[superally]

I understand where you coming from. It just doesn't help the discussion/arguments with personal attacks as everyone starts arguing about the personal attacks and not the actual talking point.
I dont think poolie started it.

[poolie_chick]

I understand where you coming from. It just doesn't help the discussion/arguments with personal attacks as everyone starts arguing about the personal attacks and not the actual talking point.

BB, when do we ever stick to the original topic of a thread? :nodyes: and we haven't stuck to the main topic of this virtually all the way through. The main point of the topic was the media covering the story, and we've spent 11 pages talking about the parents. It's a sensitive subject - perhaps not best placed on a football forum.

[kiko]

Well its a very emotional subject mate.I can only speak as a parent who has lost a baby,tho in completly different circumstances i know.To this day 20 years later mrs sa still thinks,what if i never put her in her cot for a sleep and thoughts like that.Totally blameless but still feels guilt!!Thats why i get so annoyed at inbreds like kiko! THIS WAS PREVENTABLE!!

I'm sorry but you better fucking back that up.

Where the fuck have I said it wasn't preventable you lying bastard?

[poolie_chick]

He never said that you said (Omg, this is like primary school all over again!!!!) that it wasn't preventable... he's kicking off cos you're making out like the parent's are the innocent victims in this, when they're far from innocent!!

[kiko]

And again, back that up.

Where have I even said they're fucking innocent victims?

Stop making things up and attributing them to me.

[superally]

And again, back that up.

Where have I even said they're fucking innocent victims?

Stop making things up and attributing them to me.
how about you shut your mouth and explain how they werent selfish..
Cos to me (and most other normal people its a case of fuck the kids they will be alright whilst we leave the balcony door open and fook of for an hour to have a meal..
Saying its not selfish is almost like condoning it.

[poolie_chick]

We're not making things up... are you dumb?? Or do you suffer with memory problems?? Throughout this thread, Lennon, Hailhail and you have argued with other members of the forum saying that it was just a mistake and that other people would do the same and that it was ok that they left them alone.

Stop saying something then having a go when people comment on what you said. It's a sensitive topic you know, more-so for some of us than others, and perhaps you should stop having a go at people cos their opinion differs to yours.

[superally]

I'm sorry but you better fucking back that up.
Where the fuck have I said it wasn't preventable you lying bastard?
Blimey!!proof that brothers and sisters shouldnt breed.

[kiko]

how about you shut your mouth and explain how they werent selfish..
Cos to me (and most other normal people its a case of fuck the kids they will be alright whilst we leave the balcony door open and fook of for an hour to have a meal..
Saying its not selfish is almost like condoning it.

Fucking hell, the choice of word is irrelevent. I was trying to ascertain what there mind set would be. I didn't believe they'd purposely go out and leave there children in danger, I think this is more ignorance than selfishness. BUT WHAT DOES IT MATTER OVER A WORD? Jesus, that's not even an issue.

I've said NUMEROUS times in this thread that I don't think they're in the right so for you to come out and say I'm condoning there actions is downright offensive.

To also say I think it wasn't preventable is attributing me to something I didn't say and have never even ATTEMPTED to say.

Don't dare attempt to say I said things when I clearly didn't.

[kiko]

We're not making things up... are you dumb?? Or do you suffer with memory problems?? Throughout this thread, Lennon, Hailhail and you have argued with other members of the forum saying that it was just a mistake and that other people would do the same and that it was ok that they left them alone.
Stop saying something then having a go when people comment on what you said. It's a sensitive topic you know, more-so for some of us than others, and perhaps you should stop having a go at people cos their opinion differs to yours.

Er no I haven't.

Please please please find that post where I said that otherwise retract your statement and apoligise.

How dare you say I said that.

[superally]

Fucking hell, the choice of word is irrelevent. I was trying to ascertain what there mind set would be. I didn't believe they'd purposely go out and leave there children in danger, I think this is more ignorance than selfishness. BUT WHAT DOES IT MATTER OVER A WORD? Jesus, that's not even an issue.
I've said NUMEROUS times in this thread that I don't think they're in the right so for you to come out and say I'm condoning there actions is downright offensive.
To also say I think it wasn't preventable is attributing me to something I didn't say and have never even ATTEMPTED to say.
Don't dare attempt to say I said things when I clearly didn't.
Youre actually quite funny really.dumb but funny.

[kiko]

Youre actually quite funny really.dumb but funny.

Exactly. You try to portray yourself as high and mighty in the discussion yet when it boils down to it you have nothing but petty insults and retorts.

I'm fucking fuming that you dare say I said that it was preventable and not apoligising. You're vile.

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

I'm sorry but you better fucking back that up.
Where the fuck have I said it wasn't preventable you lying bastard?


oh FFS ive been reading this thread the last couple of days.. and i cant beleive the shite some of you lot are coming out with..

If i was a guest viewing this forum, id immediately think what a bunch of tossers..

BB i think this thrad has run its course, its terrible what has happened to the little girl in portugal, but this aint even a discussion anymore.. its one twat abusing another

[kiko]

oh FFS ive been reading this thread the last couple of days.. and i cant beleive the shite some of you lot are coming out with..
If i was a guest viewing this forum, id immediately think what a bunch of tossers..
BB i think this thrad has run its course, its terrible what has happened to the little girl in portugal, but this aint even a discussion anymore.. its one twat abusing another

You've been reading it. Have I ever defended the parents?

You have the impartial view here.

[superally]

Exactly. You try to portray yourself as high and mighty in the discussion yet when it boils down to it you have nothing but petty insults and retorts.
I'm fucking fuming that you dare say I said that it was preventable and not apoligising. You're vile.
Are you so up yourself that you think my posts here are refering to you..

If only you had enough oxygen as a feutus.

[Middlesbrough No1 Fan]

You've been reading it. Have I ever defended the parents?
.

thats the thing you havent..so how about we end the pathetic arguing.. its just making you all look like a bunch of tossers..

[kiko]

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!Thats why i get so annoyed at inbreds like kiko! THIS WAS PREVENTABLE!!

Not at me ?

Post 156
how about you shut your mouth and explain how they werent selfish..
Cos to me (and most other normal people its a case of fuck the kids they will be alright whilst we leave the balcony door open and fook of for an hour to have a meal..
Saying its not selfish is almost like condoning it.

Again, quoting me, talking to me.

So whats the story?

[superally]

thats the thing you havent..so how about we end the pathetic arguing.. its just making you all look like a bunch of tossers..
I like tossing mate.especially pancakes.i once had one that landed back in the pan.

[kiko]

thats the thing you havent..so how about we end the pathetic arguing.. its just making you all look like a bunch of tossers..

I'm not even try to argue mate. I'm defending myself when people are making unscrupulous claims about what I have posted.

[poolie_chick]

Er no I haven't.
Please please please find that post where I said that otherwise retract your statement and apoligise.
How dare you say I said that.

Hang on... you have backed up Hailhail and Lennon's comments. You DO NOT have to have said something for it to be implied by you or for you to portray a certain view, which is why, if you take the time to READ my post, you'll find that I didn't particularly say that YOU as a singular, not plural, not sheep following the other idiots in this thread, said a particular thing.

As for apologising, I'll do no such thing :) I have nothing to apologise for. I've airred my views like everyone else on here, and I disagree with what you've been saying but never once said you weren't entitled to say what you have said/implied. Nor did anybody say that you said that you thought the parents would purposely leave their children in danger. NOBODY on this forum thinks that so your point is totally irrelevent because if there's anything that I can guarantee that everyone in this thread will agree on, is that they didn't purposely intend for their child to be in danger.

What we're saying is they did not consider danger when they were running off to scoff their faces. Selfish and ignorant is both the correct words to use. Ignorance for not thinking about dangers, and selfishness for not taking their children with them on a FAMILY holiday, which sadly resulted in that poor girl suffering.

[kiko]

Hang on... you have backed up Hailhail and Lennon's comments. You DO NOT have to have said something for it to be implied by you or for you to portray a certain view, which is why, if you take the time to READ my post, you'll find that I didn't particularly say that YOU as a singular, not plural, not sheep following the other idiots in this thread, said a particular thing.

And now you're digging.

<<<We're not making things up... are you dumb?? Or do you suffer with memory problems?? Throughout this thread, Lennon, Hailhail and you have argued with other members of the forum.>>>

[superally]

And now you're digging.
<<<We're not making things up... are you dumb?? Or do you suffer with memory problems?? Throughout this thread, Lennon, Hailhail and you have argued with other members of the forum.>>>
I think they and you have just gone at poolie chick cos she has a different opinion to them..and at the end of the day she is the one in the right..live with it.

[poolie_chick]

And now you're digging.
<<<We're not making things up... are you dumb?? Or do you suffer with memory problems?? Throughout this thread, Lennon, Hailhail and you have argued with other members of the forum.>>>

Digging? What exactly am I digging? Bite me :)

[superally]

Digging? What exactly am I digging? Bite me :)
Digging..Wheres the shovel come into it??

[boro_boy]

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