old firm forum usual crap

[johnny_S]

but this time most of bigoted shite is caused by the english lads:yikes:

and the scot lads are sticky together not biting

whats going on in the world of MFF

[jimmyshimmy]

"but this time most of bigoted shite is caused by the english lads"

Since when do the English not cause some sort of violence or moaning and bitching? lol

[superally]

but this time most of bigoted shite is caused by the english lads:yikes:
and the scot lads are sticky together not biting
whats going on in the world of MFF

Weve not had any bigotry on here for a while.

[domcassells]

good it's so archaic

[hailhail7]

but this time most of bigoted shite is caused by the english lads:yikes:
and the scot lads are sticky together not biting
whats going on in the world of MFF


I don't think they were being bigoted, just not very understanding of the situation.

[boro_boy]

Yeah none of the English have been bigoted and another thing, a jock has just brought this subject up.

[superally]

but this time most of bigoted shite is caused by the english lads:yikes:
and the scot lads are sticky together not biting
whats going on in the world of MFF


Well i aint been on the JD so much lately!!

Got this polish vodka thing going on instead.Zubrowka,its class.

[jimmyshimmy]

Weve not had any bigotry on here for a while.

Your signature?

[westboy]

Oh get a grip old firm fans. Your obssession with keeping religion and football linked with religion is out of date in the 21st century..

[hailhail7]

Oh get a grip old firm fans. Your obssession with keeping religion and football linked with religion is out of date in the 21st century..


What are you talking about? We are actually trying to eradicate it. And it's more to do with politics as I keep on(and on, and on)saying.

[westboy]

What are you doing to eradicate it? And if the two clubs are about politics then why is it the Catholic Protestant split?

[hailhail7]

What are you doing to eradicate it? And if the two clubs are about politics then why is it the Catholic Protestant split?



Fergus McCann started the bhoys against bigotry campaign years ago and this has improved things at Celtic park to the extent that you rarely hear the 'old songs' much. Much of the bigotry problem stems from the politics of Northern Ireland. About republicans wanting a united Ireland and the Unionists wanting to stay within the UK. If you listen to most of the 'bigoted' songs, more are about NI and less about what the Vatican is doing.

[kiko]

What are you doing to eradicate it? And if the two clubs are about politics then why is it the Catholic Protestant split?

Can you tell me how you are such an expert on Scottish football, namely whats being sung in the crowd in the old firm derbies?

[westboy]

I'm going on about the attitude on the forum and things like Rangers fans wanting Le Guen out (on here as well) before the first match just because of his religions

[superally]

Your signature?

How is one countries flag more bigoted than another..There is no more bigotry on display in my sig than in the saltir,e st george cross,or any other flag of a nation..The only bigotry here is your hatred of the ulster flag.

[kiko]

You probably should step off your pedestal then instead of chastising something you have no real knowledge on. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/images/smilies_final/thbgrin.gif

[westboy]

I don't need to have 'real' knowledge on it to have the opinion that religion/politics and football shouldn't mix

[kiko]

But you're saying things haven't changed ?

How could you possibly know?

[superally]

You probably should step off your pedestal then instead of chastising something you have no real knowledge on. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/images/smilies_final/thbgrin.gif
Thats good advice there kiko..Cos westboy is beginning to sound rediculous,giving advice on things he has no knowledge of.May i suggest you go on youtube and seek out the scotlands secret shame videos.its a good watch.may help enlighten the uneducated on the problem.

[superally]

I don't need to have 'real' knowledge on it to have the opinion that religion/politics and football shouldn't mix
Well the fact that arrests at old games are down from an average of over 200 per game,to nearly single figures nowadays speaks for itself..Tho the city centre on the night might be a different story.

[westboy]

1) I'm not giving anyone advice I'm giving my opinion
2) I'm not saying things haven't changed I'm just saying bringing religion/politics into football isn't typical 21st century. Sorry if I'm unclear...

[kiko]

Some would argue religion isn't very 21st century.

For the record, opinions can be wrong.

[superally]

1) I'm not giving anyone advice I'm giving my opinion
2) I'm not saying things haven't changed I'm just saying bringing religion/politics into football isn't typical 21st century. Sorry if I'm unclear...
OK we hear your opinion,but i suggest until you know the realities of life in the west of Scotland you keep some of them to yourself..How about slagging the isrealis or palestinians instead?

[boro_boy]

Well the fact that arrests at old games are down from an average of over 200 per game,to nearly single figures nowadays speaks for itself..Tho the city centre on the night might be a different story.
And you say the English are abd, tut tut.

[superally]

And you say the English are abd, tut tut.
Have you been up broad street on a weekend,your in the navy you must have done union street in plymouth.Nothing but sheer hooligan behaviuor there,just without the football.

[westboy]

OK we hear your opinion,but i suggest until you know the realities of life in the west of Scotland you keep some of them to yourself..How about slagging the isrealis or palestinians instead?
I'm hardly going to come onto a football forum and slag of israelis/palestinians.
And this is a forum and so why should I keep my opinions to myself?

[superally]

I'm hardly going to come onto a football forum and slag of israelis/palestinians.
And this is a forum and so why should I keep my opinions to myself?
OK fair enough but your opinions on this are uneducated ones.in other words when it comes to the old firm you aint got a fookin clue what your on about.

[westboy]

Religion/Politics in Football = wrong/outdated imo. Regardless of old firm. That's an opinion, it's not educated or uneducated it's just an opinion.

[superally]

Religion/Politics in Football = wrong/outdated imo. Regardless of old firm. That's an opinion, it's not educated or uneducated it's just an opinion.
OK tell me why its a problem within the old firm!

[westboy]

1) You've already said there's political differences
2) Even if it's reducing there's still a religious element. As I just said look at PLG's treatment for non-football reasons. Even you wanted him out for his religion if I remmeber right.

[kiko]

If Le Guen actually did anything half decent then I'm sure the religious aspects would have been quickly forgotton. Still he didn't.

Anyway, you can't change the culture and history of a club overnight. Both clubs are engrained with the religious background and always will be. It is part of who they are.

[superally]

1) You've already said there's political differences
2) Even if it's reducing there's still a religious element. As I just said look at PLG's treatment for non-football reasons. Even you wanted him out for his religion if I remmeber right.

Yeah i wanted him out,I never went to Ibrox whilst he was in charge.i never would with a catholic manager.Its bad enough they play for us.116 years without one the best traditoins and and honours list of any football club in the world.why did we ever need one?

Anyhow why is this a problem just to the old firm??

Can every other club in the world hate the local rivals if they want,but because we and celtic come from totally different religious and politcal cultures we cant hate ours?

[boro_boy]

Have you been up broad street on a weekend,your in the navy you must have done union street in plymouth.Nothing but sheer hooligan behaviuor there,just without the football.
Well not really, I didn't see any fights whilst I was there. Or any Hooligan behaviour.

[superally]

Well not really, I didn't see any fights whilst I was there. Or any Hooligan behaviour.
How many times i gotta tell you to behave!!Im beginning to sound like youe dad used to.Broad street is a mass body of drunken twats throwing up and wanting to fight anything that moves.and when my bro lived in plymouth i had few nights out there and union street werent any better.

[westboy]

Yeah i wanted him out,I never went to Ibrox whilst he was in charge.i never would with a catholic manager.Its bad enough they play for us.116 years without one the best traditoins and and honours list of any football club in the world.why did we ever need one?
Anyhow why is this a problem just to the old firm??
Can every other club in the world hate the local rivals if they want,but because we and celtic come from totally different religious and politcal cultures we cant hate ours?
When did I say you couldn't hate your rivals???

I'm just saying I prefer going to football in England where your in a stadium with people with right wing/left wing views, Christians, Muslims, Jews atheists etc. I can understand you not wanting the manager for football reasons (like he played for Celtic) but not personal ones.

[superally]

I can understand you not wanting the manager for football reasons (like he played for Celtic) but not personal ones.
you never will understand things you know nothing about.
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scotlands+secret+shame&search=Search)
Also this problem runs throughout society in the west of scotland,it isnt just an old firm problem,its just easier to put the blame on us and celtic.
try the link.

[westboy]

No thanks to West Scotland's "society" in the premiership then :)

[superally]

No thanks to West Scotland's "society" in the premiership then :)
Personally i dont wanna go to your,vastly over rated,always needed foreigners pompous premiership.Were a scots club who belong in scotland,we have never needed vast handouts from tv companies,(tho it would help)never will.So while you run around in your so perfect politically correct world,not hating anybody,at least ill be honest with myself,im a bigot,and im proud to be a white british protestant,a unionist,and loyal to the crown.god save the queen,rule britannia.

[boro_boy]

Personally i dont wanna go to your,vastly over rated,always needed foreigners pompous premiership.Were a scots club who belong in scotland,we have never needed vast handouts from tv companies,(tho it would help)never will.So while you run around in your so perfect politically correct world,not hating anybody,at least ill be honest with myself,im a bigot,and im proud to be a white british protestant,a unionist,and loyal to the crown.god save the queen,rule britannia.
You can't get the massive tv deals
You can't attract the top players

Because your leagues not as good as ours :).

On the bigot point of view, you have a right to your opinion/views. It doesn't bother me, bigots are just big headed people.

[FATPIPE]

Personally i do understand where SA is coming from here but i tend to look from both sides and believe me it's hard to do that ,My Family on my Dads side was totally split by religion ,personally i wasn't brought up catholic but religion and the crap does scare me so i tend to just stick to the footy and not get involved ,

[superally]

On the bigot point of view, you have a right to your opinion/views. It doesn't bother me, bigots are just big headed people.
So what about racists??And people who travel to football around the world chanting 2 world wars and 1 world cup?

[kiko]

You can't get the massive tv deals
You can't attract the top players

Because your leagues not as good as ours :).

On the bigot point of view, you have a right to your opinion/views. It doesn't bother me, bigots are just big headed people.

Bigots aren't big headed people. They're backwards idiots who seem a need to defend something because of some strange inferiority complex.

[superally]

Bigots aren't big headed people. They're backwards idiots who seem a need to defend something because of some strange inferiority complex.


Blimey,So England is the most bigoted country on earth then no doubt.

[westboy]

Personally i dont wanna go to your,vastly over rated,always needed foreigners pompous premiership.Were a scots club who belong in scotland,we have never needed vast handouts from tv companies,(tho it would help)never will.So while you run around in your so perfect politically correct world,not hating anybody,at least ill be honest with myself,im a bigot,and im proud to be a white british protestant,a unionist,and loyal to the crown.god save the queen,rule britannia.
There's nothing wrong with that and I think people should be proud of being british. Call me PC if you want but I think football would be better without it [politics and religion]. As there's a place for everything and football is the place for watching your team not expressing religious/political views.

Also I'm not saying the people who go round shouting 'two world wars and one world cup' are right. I'm not saying English fans are perfect but we don't have the same problems (I know you don't see them as problems) with religion and politics coming into football as you do.

[kiko]

Blimey,So England is the most bigoted country on earth then no doubt.

If you think so. I can only speak for myself.

[hailhail7]

I'm going on about the attitude on the forum and things like Rangers fans wanting Le Guen out (on here as well) before the first match just because of his religions



True. SA wanted Le Guen out due to reason's of total bigotry. But the bigger picture does have Mr Murray wanting to sort out the bigot problem to save his club fines from UEFA.

[superally]

True. SA wanted Le Guen out due to reason's of total bigotry. But the bigger picture does have Mr Murray wanting to sort out the bigot problem to save his club fines from UEFA.


Both old firm clubs are making efforts(or token gestures?) to stamp this out.The problem is a society problem,not just an old firm one!!

I have kept my kids away from bigotry always left them to decide who they liked and wanted as friends etc.i have never got involved in that.The problem wont go away until all parents from both sides do the same.Tho it is easier down here than in central scotland!!

[hailhail7]

Blimey,So England is the most bigoted country on earth then no doubt.



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[johnny_S]

JESUS
I DIDNT REALLY BELIEVE THIS THREAD WOULD GO SO FAR
i only said it tongue it cheek
but let me go back to my original post
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own.
Racism is connotations of race-based bigotry, prejudice, violence, oppression, stereotyping or discrimination, and other hotly contested definitions. it as being either superior or inferior to another race or races.
Should i retitle,
my observation was based on posts in thread like this http://www.myfootballforum.com/old-firm-63/old-firm-england-4767.html
would you like quotes
Bigotry or racism whatever, is usually a reaction to a failure to understand, accept or knowledge of others beliefs
Which catergory does the english bashing of the oldfirm on here fit in:yikes:


Questions on a postcard or a postage stamp:nodyes::LolLolLolLol:

[superally]

Which catergory does the english bashing of the oldfirm on here fit in:yikes:
Questions on a postcard or a postage stamp:nodyes::LolLolLolLol:
Well said johnny. now lets wait for the answers.

[kiko]

Like I said earlier, people shouldn't pass judgement on things they have little knowledge on.

[Suge1314]

Personally i dont wanna go to your,vastly over rated,always needed foreigners pompous premiership.Were a scots club who belong in scotland,we have never needed vast handouts from tv companies,(tho it would help)never will.So while you run around in your so perfect politically correct world,not hating anybody,at least ill be honest with myself,im a bigot,and im proud to be a white british protestant,a unionist,and loyal to the crown.god save the queen,rule britannia.
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Personnally I don't agree with your views of god save the queen and rule britannia. But I am a firm believer in free speech and this seems to be getting taken away from us because of the minority who go to games and resort to violence over what can simply be said from stand to stand or in a pub. If fans are going to sing why should the football club be fined for it. This is just a song. As long as it doesn't lead to some poor guy being killed then where's the damage. Its not as if Celtic fans go home and complain that we were singing the sash at an old firm game. They simply reply with whatever song of there's is appropriate. I don't see the hartm in this.

Finally I will agree with the fact that the PL is vastly overrated due to Sky TV. Teams in the SPL can attract big name signings. Roy Keane, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup and Henrik Larsen to name a few.

[hailhail7]

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Personnally I don't agree with your views of god save the queen and rule britannia. But I am a firm believer in free speech and this seems to be getting taken away from us because of the minority who go to games and resort to violence over what can simply be said from stand to stand or in a pub. If fans are going to sing why should the football club be fined for it. This is just a song. As long as it doesn't lead to some poor guy being killed then where's the damage. Its not as if Celtic fans go home and complain that we were singing the sash at an old firm game. They simply reply with whatever song of there's is appropriate. I don't see the hartm in this.

Finally I will agree with the fact that the PL is vastly overrated due to Sky TV. Teams in the SPL can attract big name signings. Roy Keane, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup and Henrik Larsen to name a few.



Should we be applauding bigots?

[kiko]

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Personnally I don't agree with your views of god save the queen and rule britannia. But I am a firm believer in free speech and this seems to be getting taken away from us because of the minority who go to games and resort to violence over what can simply be said from stand to stand or in a pub. If fans are going to sing why should the football club be fined for it. This is just a song. As long as it doesn't lead to some poor guy being killed then where's the damage. Its not as if Celtic fans go home and complain that we were singing the sash at an old firm game. They simply reply with whatever song of there's is appropriate. I don't see the hartm in this.

Finally I will agree with the fact that the PL is vastly overrated due to Sky TV. Teams in the SPL can attract big name signings. Roy Keane, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup and Henrik Larsen to name a few.

Maybe we should all sing some racist songs?

I mean no one is being killed so whats wrong in it.

ngggggg.

[Suge1314]

Should we be applauding bigots?

I'm not saying I believe in the same things as bigots. All I'm simply saying is if people are proud of their religion and may have something against people from another religion then who am I to say they are wrong and I'm right. I'm a protestant myself but don't choose to get involved. As long as there is no violence comes from it then let people say what they want. Free speech and all that. Its getting that people can say what they want as long as nobody get offended. If you offend easily then don't listen to it. I'm sure its nothing personal.

[bluenose]

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bigotry ..........bigotry I'll tell you this I work in the west of Scotland
and I'll tell you about bigotry


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all the best from me and Mary doll

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