New Big Brother Race Row is racism itself.

[boro_boy]

Well she's Naive. She didn't mean it offensively and the girl that she aimed it at didn't take offence but you can't do that in front of millions of people. She was obviously going to get thrown of for it and if she didn't think it was such a big thing she really is very stupid!!

Course if she'd been black and said that it would have been a term of endearment http://footiethreads.com/forum/images/smilies/lol1.gif

Apparently Charley said it too!

Welcome to Britain everyone. If you white and heterosexual then you are fucked, you can't say anything or do anything without being warned!!

[poolie_chick]

Totally agree.

[westboy]

Didn't really want to comment on this non-story but people complained when jade goody wasn't automatically taken off (and she definitely didn't have the intelligence to know what she was saying) but then they take someone who harmlessly uses a taboo word.

Even on radio and TV news they won't say the word which is ridiculous. Words are not intrinsically offensive. If I say someone said the word ******' that's not offensive at all but if I say 'I think all black people should be tortured' then it it offensive. They've got to look at the context...

[kiko]

White people should never use the word "n*gger". There is no reason for us to use it. It's a word of extreme offence and one of the few true taboo words around.

[westboy]

It's not a word I'd chose to use and to be honest I'll admit to talking about something I'm not fully informed about as I haven't watched Big Brother, but from what I've read in the papers/heard on the radio the black housemate said 'I'm a n*gger' after the word was used. Implying she wasn't offended. The question is were the audience offended when the comment was directed at someone else?

It's used so much in black music and more and more white people are listening to it - you just need to go into a shop and you'll hear the taboo word that it's hard just to say white people should never use it and black people should be able to.

[kiko]

It's a word with heavy ties to slavery and oppression. White people should never ever feel the need to use it. I would never feel comfortable saying it even jokingly to a black person even if I knew them.

[lisbon67]

If they call each other nigga and thats fine then why cant we call them it. Either they are offended by the word or not, I mean if someone called me a white bastard for example then I would be offended no matter what colour the person was who said it to me. You cant pick and choose who you are offended by, you either find it offensive or you dont.

[FourOneFourOne]

If they call each other nigga and thats fine then why cant we call them it. Either they are offended by the word or not

Some black people might not be offended by the term, but most of them are.

[lisbon67]

And another thing anything that happened to blacks happened hundreds of years ago. So dont buy into their "we are victims of opression". You dont see white christian people going around still shouting about how we were thrown to the lions by the romans do you ?
We have moved on and I see no reason why they shouldn't.
But it's too late this country is finished, it's gone to the dogs. Every country in the world must be laughing at our border policies.

[poolie_chick]

If they call each other nigga and thats fine then why cant we call them it. Either they are offended by the word or not, I mean if someone called me a white bastard for example then I would be offended no matter what colour the person was who said it to me. You cant pick and choose who you are offended by, you either find it offensive or you dont.

Yea I agree with that. The fact that they find it offensive from one race and not from another is racism in itself. Just plain friggin' rediculous. If a white person calls me a "milk bottle" and I'm not offended, then I wouldn't be offended if a black/Asian person said it either. If it's said in an aggressive way or intentionally offensive way then that's fair enough, but race doesn't come into it then.

[FourOneFourOne]

And another thing anything that happened to blacks happened hundreds of years ago. So dont buy into their "we are victims of opression". You dont see white christian people going around still shouting about how we were thrown to the lions by the romans do you ?
We have moved on and I see no reason why they shouldn't.
But it's too late this country is finished, it's gone to the dogs. Every country in the world must be laughing at our border policies.

Black people are still subject to discrimination from some white people in this country. That's the difference.

[lisbon67]

Some black people might not be offended by the term, but most of them are.

But thats just your personal opinion. I know lots of blacks and even pakistani's calling each other nigga.

[FourOneFourOne]

But thats just your personal opinion. I know lots of blacks and even pakistani's calling each other nigga.

The woman in the house was clearly offended by the term, so it was wrong for the other housemate to use it.

[lisbon67]

When we cant get a decent job, because all the immigrants have taken them all due to the fact that they get paid less than ourselves, we are being discriminated against because we dont live in a house with 12 other members of our family and cant afford to be paid so little.

[lisbon67]

The woman in the house was clearly offended by the term, so it was wrong for the other housemate to use it.

She quite clearly stated she wasnt

[FourOneFourOne]

When we cant get a decent job, because all the immigrants have taken them all due to the fact that they get paid less than ourselves, we are being discriminated against because we dont live in a house with 12 other members of our family and cant afford to be paid so little.

I thought this thread was about black people, not immigrants?

She quite clearly stated she wasnt

She was trying not to hurt any feelings, she was clearly affected by it.

[poolie_chick]

I agree with all the stuff about being offended by what happened years and years ago. How the hell can any body, white or black, expect to move on and improve society and culture when everyone's living in the past.

Someone mentioned black people still being subject of offence from white people, but in this society, there's just as many black people calling white people as there are whites calling blacks. At the end of the day, a lot of things are only offensive when you put a connotation on them, and if people forgot the past then there would be no connotation. It's not our fault, the white or black people living today, over what happened in the past, so how can people judge a book by another book's cover and content?

It's kind of prejudice in a way. If white people say 'n!gger' they're automatically being intentionally offensive. If black people say it, they're being friendly and everything is hunky dory. That isn't the way it should be. A naming word should be culturally universal, and therefore should have the same meanings for all cultures.

My brother had a black friend, and my brother used to call him 'n!gger', and his friend used to call him 'white trash' and neither of them took offense for the simple fact that they knew the context in which it was said in, and they didn't judge what someone says by the colour of the skin.

[Kolo]

just asking but are there any black people on this forum?

[boro_boy]

Well I'm brown now as i've been enjoying the sun down here for the past week :).

[westboy]

Black people use it because there's a sense of equality when it's said, when white peoople use it then it's normally (although like everything it depends on the context) in a derogatory context and unacceptable. You can't compare it to terms like 'white bastard'.

lisbon67 - do you assume that all black people are immigrants? Do you not consider that Poles, Romanians etc. do actually come over here to take our jobs as well?

[superally]

Well I'm brown now as i've been enjoying the sun down here for the past week :).
n1gger.....

[poolie_chick]

Black people use it because there's a sense of equality when it's said, when white peoople use it then it's normally (although like everything it depends on the context) in a derogatory context and unacceptable.

Not necessarily. Like I said, some people put their own connotation towards it and therefore it becomes offensive to them, even when the person saying it doesn't say it in an offensive tone or manner.

I think sometimes with race, a lot of it is ignorance. For example, a lot of white people who try not to be racist refer to black people as 'coloured', and that's more offensive than just saying black, even though the white person intended it as a 'euphemism' if you like, not that any sorts of euphemisms are ever needed to refer to someone's race. The way I think about it is, "if someone was to refer to me as 'plain' would I like it?"... and I wouldn't, cos I'm not plain, I'm white, just as black people are black.

[westboy]

So Blacks find it offensive if a black person says the n word to them? If a white person says it to a black person then it's always going to be out of order...

[superally]

So Blacks find it offensive if a black person says the n word to them? If a white person says it to a black person then it's always going to be out of order...
Is it fook!!Ill call them what i wanna if they dont like it tough!!Whos land is it anyway??

[poolie_chick]

If a black person finds it offensive from a white person then I personally feel that they should find it offensive from a black person too, cos the semantics of lexis doesn't come from the race of a person, not when it comes to names at least.

The same goes for white people too, although I think that we're less offended when it comes to race names as we're more laid back... if someone calls us a milk bottle then we're a milk bottle and so what... that's my attitude at least.

[FourOneFourOne]

What's a woman doing knowing all these long words? Why bother educating them, they should just become housewives.







Now, the above isn't my view of course, but do you not think that the above sentence has more venom coming from a man than a woman? Same principle.

[poolie_chick]

Definitely not lol.... I don't really get on with women and I'd think that women are settling for being nothing but little run abouts, and if a woman told me that I should stop going to college and uni and forget about my career to stay at home and hoover the house from top to bottom ten times over til it was time to go to bed, I'd slap her, just as I would if a man said it.

[poolie_chick]

What's a woman doing knowing all these long words? Why bother educating them, they should just become housewives.
Now, the above isn't my view of course, but do you not think that the above sentence has more venom coming from a man than a woman? Same principle.

Besides, that's actually a totally different situation...

A gender equivalent would be like if woman A referred to woman B (these are their real names :yikes: :nodyes:) as a slag, and woman B not be offended, but then a man say it and woman B getting offended.

[FourOneFourOne]

Your example is using the personality of a particular woman, mine was suggesting that all women are inferior, so closer to racism.

The term "n****r" is more than just a word now, and has come to signify some white people seeing black people as inferior.

[poolie_chick]

Your example is using the personality of a particular woman, mine was suggesting that all women are inferior, so closer to racism.
The term "n****r" is more than just a word now, and has come to signify some white people seeing black people as inferior.

Yea, but that's context dependent. If, like in the BB house, the woman said it in a non-offensive way with no intentions of referring to the black people in the house as inferior then there should have been no issue.

I can tell you this, if it wasn't for the whole Celeb BB with Jade Goody and Shilpa Shetty, then the woman in BB8 wouldn't have been thrown out, but most probably just given a warning. It's became more of an issue since then, as far as the whole Big Brother and racism crap goes.

[Nafe]

People need to lighten the hell up, someone was racist, its been dealt with, end of.
When everyone rambles on about it, the situation worsens until you have a tv channel getting sued for something beyond there reach.

[poolie_chick]

Yea, I think that's very true... it's just became so much of an issue because a lot of different people act differently... some people are more offended than others and some are laid back.