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westboy · 12-06-2007, 18:22

After a policeman was killed in Luton, do you think it is right to bring back capital punishment for cop-killers, or certain murderers?

I don't think so for several reasons

1) It's inhumane to take someone's life away. Don't mind locking them up but can't accept that it's acceptable for society to kill someone, whatever crime they have committed.

2) There will inevitably be miscarriages of justice which obviously can't be put right

3) In some cases, e.g. Ian Huntley, forcing someone to spend the rest of their life in jail is more of a detterant. although it costs the tax payer alot.

I think the answer is to make the conditions in jail alot worse and get rid of peroll (spelt wrongly). If you look at the reoffending rates, they are too high, this idea of reforming prisoners isn't working so why not pack prisoners into the cells, give them staple diets etc. if all this counselling/teaching of prisoners worked then fine but I don't think it does. Also if a judge says life it should mean life. If a judge says 10 years then it means 10 years and if the prisoner misbehaves then they get longer.

superally · 12-06-2007, 18:25

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Originally Posted by westboy

After a policeman was killed in Luton, do you think it is right to bring back capital punishment for cop-killers, or certain murderers?
I don't think so for several reasons
1) It's inhumane to take someone's life away. Don't mind locking them up but can't accept that it's acceptable for society to kill someone, whatever crime they have committed.
2) There will inevitably be miscarriages of justice which obviously can't be put right
3) In some cases, e.g. Ian Huntley, forcing someone to spend the rest of their life in jail is more of a detterant. although it costs the tax payer alot.
I think the answer is to make the conditions in jail alot worse and get rid of peroll (spelt wrongly). If you look at the reoffending rates, they are too high, this idea of reforming prisoners isn't working so why not pack prisoners into the cells, give them staple diets etc. if all this counselling/teaching of prisoners worked then fine but I don't think it does. Also if a judge says life it should mean life. If a judge says 10 years then it means 10 years and if the prisoner misbehaves then they get longer.

Dont agree i say hang the bassas,Do you know how much tax i pay per month,it hurts,i dont like paying to keep vermin in comfort.Better dead me thinks.

westboy · 12-06-2007, 18:29

The present goverment (and probably future) would find something else to waste our taxes on. Also if they were to cut costs in prisons by making them less comfortable it would save money.

superally · 12-06-2007, 18:32

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Originally Posted by westboy

The present goverment (and probably future) would find something else to waste our taxes on.

Aye they could bring in more asylum seekers instead.

westboy · 12-06-2007, 18:43

Yeah and write posters in the prison in 487 different languages...

boro_boy · 12-06-2007, 18:50

I say bring it back for acts of crime such as murder which are DEAD CERTAIN such as murders caught on camera.

westboy · 12-06-2007, 18:56

Don't think they should do it for all murder. I mean what if one of your parents was completely immobile and you knew they'd want to be killed in that situation but they didn't have a living will and you were to give them a lethal dose of something, would you deserve the death penalty, whatever your views on euthanasia were?

boro_boy · 12-06-2007, 19:12

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Originally Posted by westboy

Don't think they should do it for all murder. I mean what if one of your parents was completely immobile and you knew they'd want to be killed in that situation but they didn't have a living will and you were to give them a lethal dose of something, would you deserve the death penalty, whatever your views on euthanasia were?

No. I should have been more specific, I mean people who drink and drive and kill someone or stab/shoot people. The dangerous crime which if carried out is sure to end in death.

FourOneFourOne · 12-06-2007, 19:14

This is quite an interesting site:

PhotoVoyage | Death Row

Isn't biased either way - if you listen to the audio beware you may find it a little bit harrowing though.

EDIT: The audio's here:

Witness to an Execution: Radio Documentary by Sound Portraits

I've had a slight change of mind on this subject recently. Wouldn't like to see it brought in for most murders but for treason, such as those involved in terrorism I think it would be right.

boro_boy · 12-06-2007, 19:17

For blatant murders I would. Like people who hunt down people are shoot them to kill.

People who drink drive and then kill innocent people when they crash.

westboy · 12-06-2007, 19:18

I know he wasn't directly involved in terrorism but you look at Saddam. He basically chose death penalty over life imprisonment (he could have been tried at the Hague if he'd kept his mouth shut) and became a martyr instead of rotting away in a cell.

People involved in terrorism don't mind dying, or at least suicide bombers. They would mind getting locked up though...

FourOneFourOne · 12-06-2007, 19:20

Not all terrorists want to become martyrs - the IRA a few years ago didn't want to die, and there's more people involved in the recent radical Islam terrorism than those blowing themselves up.

westboy · 12-06-2007, 19:21

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Originally Posted by boro_boy

For blatant murders I would. Like people who hunt down people are shoot them to kill.

People who drink drive and then kill innocent people when they crash.

No way!!! I'm not condoning drink driving, but alot of people have too many drinks and their judgement goes, so they step into a car thinking everything will be alright. Obviously they are likely to crash and if they are unlucky they'll kill an innocent person but whilst I think there is no excuse for drink driving, the death penalty is disproportionate.

boro_boy · 12-06-2007, 19:26

Well they have the choice beforehand, whether to take the car to the bar or not, it would be a good deterrent, but maybe your right, its a little harsh. But we need strict laws over here to stop drink driving.

westboy · 12-06-2007, 19:36

I agree with you in terms of the fact we need to stop drink driving and I think we urgently need to get over this idea that if you do something when your drunk it's not your fault. It's just as bad as when you do something sober because if you can't control actions when your drinking then you shouldn't drink.

I still don't think killing someone for manslaughter (it's not murder) is right though.

12-06-2007, 18:22	#1
westboy Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London I Support: Brentford Posts: 5,580 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 7	Should we have Capital Punishment? After a policeman was killed in Luton, do you think it is right to bring back capital punishment for cop-killers, or certain murderers? I don't think so for several reasons 1) It's inhumane to take someone's life away. Don't mind locking them up but can't accept that it's acceptable for society to kill someone, whatever crime they have committed. 2) There will inevitably be miscarriages of justice which obviously can't be put right 3) In some cases, e.g. Ian Huntley, forcing someone to spend the rest of their life in jail is more of a detterant. although it costs the tax payer alot. I think the answer is to make the conditions in jail alot worse and get rid of peroll (spelt wrongly). If you look at the reoffending rates, they are too high, this idea of reforming prisoners isn't working so why not pack prisoners into the cells, give them staple diets etc. if all this counselling/teaching of prisoners worked then fine but I don't think it does. Also if a judge says life it should mean life. If a judge says 10 years then it means 10 years and if the prisoner misbehaves then they get longer. __________________ Thanks for the sig Kolo!:thumbup1:

12-06-2007, 18:29	#3
westboy Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London I Support: Brentford Posts: 5,580 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 7	The present goverment (and probably future) would find something else to waste our taxes on. Also if they were to cut costs in prisons by making them less comfortable it would save money. __________________ Thanks for the sig Kolo!:thumbup1:

12-06-2007, 18:43	#5
westboy Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London I Support: Brentford Posts: 5,580 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 7	Yeah and write posters in the prison in 487 different languages... __________________ Thanks for the sig Kolo!:thumbup1:

12-06-2007, 18:50	#6
boro_boy Administrator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Middlesbrough I Support: Middlesbrough I am 28 years old Posts: 16,416 Nominated 5 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 3 Rep Power: 10	I say bring it back for acts of crime such as murder which are DEAD CERTAIN such as murders caught on camera. __________________ If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done.

12-06-2007, 18:56	#7
westboy Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London I Support: Brentford Posts: 5,580 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 7	Don't think they should do it for all murder. I mean what if one of your parents was completely immobile and you knew they'd want to be killed in that situation but they didn't have a living will and you were to give them a lethal dose of something, would you deserve the death penalty, whatever your views on euthanasia were? __________________ Thanks for the sig Kolo!:thumbup1:


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12-06-2007, 19:14	#9
FourOneFourOne Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Huddersfield I Support: EVERTON AND PROUD I am 22 years old Posts: 2,055 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 4	This is quite an interesting site: PhotoVoyage \| Death Row Isn't biased either way - if you listen to the audio beware you may find it a little bit harrowing though. EDIT: The audio's here: Witness to an Execution: Radio Documentary by Sound Portraits I've had a slight change of mind on this subject recently. Wouldn't like to see it brought in for most murders but for treason, such as those involved in terrorism I think it would be right.

12-06-2007, 19:17	#10
boro_boy Administrator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Middlesbrough I Support: Middlesbrough I am 28 years old Posts: 16,416 Nominated 5 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 3 Rep Power: 10	For blatant murders I would. Like people who hunt down people are shoot them to kill. People who drink drive and then kill innocent people when they crash. __________________ If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done.

12-06-2007, 19:18	#11
westboy Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London I Support: Brentford Posts: 5,580 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 7	I know he wasn't directly involved in terrorism but you look at Saddam. He basically chose death penalty over life imprisonment (he could have been tried at the Hague if he'd kept his mouth shut) and became a martyr instead of rotting away in a cell. People involved in terrorism don't mind dying, or at least suicide bombers. They would mind getting locked up though... __________________ Thanks for the sig Kolo!:thumbup1:

12-06-2007, 19:20	#12
FourOneFourOne Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Huddersfield I Support: EVERTON AND PROUD I am 22 years old Posts: 2,055 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 4	Not all terrorists want to become martyrs - the IRA a few years ago didn't want to die, and there's more people involved in the recent radical Islam terrorism than those blowing themselves up.

12-06-2007, 19:26	#14
boro_boy Administrator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Middlesbrough I Support: Middlesbrough I am 28 years old Posts: 16,416 Nominated 5 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 3 Rep Power: 10	Well they have the choice beforehand, whether to take the car to the bar or not, it would be a good deterrent, but maybe your right, its a little harsh. But we need strict laws over here to stop drink driving. __________________ If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done.

12-06-2007, 19:36	#15
westboy Football Fan Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: London I Support: Brentford Posts: 5,580 Nominated 0 Threads TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 Rep Power: 7	I agree with you in terms of the fact we need to stop drink driving and I think we urgently need to get over this idea that if you do something when your drunk it's not your fault. It's just as bad as when you do something sober because if you can't control actions when your drinking then you shouldn't drink. I still don't think killing someone for manslaughter (it's not murder) is right though. __________________ Thanks for the sig Kolo!:thumbup1:

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