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boro_boy
07-07-2007, 10:55
Taken from "West ham Till I die" website, on an article in the Times:

Who owns Carlos Tévez?

West Ham United hold the player’s registration. Kia Joorabchian’s Media Sports Investments firm owns the economic rights to the forward.

Does Tévez’s transfer to Manchester United mirror Javier Mascherano’s move to Liverpool in January?

Yes and no.

How do they differ?

Liverpool signed Mascherano on an 18-month loan – at the end of which they have the option to buy the player permanently – after West Ham ripped up the player’s registration and gave up any rights to him to facilitate the transfer. Joorabchian, who owns the economic rights to Mascherano as well as Tévez, was paid £1.5 million by Liverpool as part of the deal. United have agreed a two-year loan deal for Tévez, with the option to sign the forward permanently at the end of that period, but West Ham cannot simply give up the rights to the player in this case to facilitate the transfer.

Why not?

After the verdict delivered by the independent commission into the transfer on April 27, when West Ham were fined £5.5 million, the club were given three choices. Either they stop playing Tévez, they bring the third-party agreement with Joorabchian into line with FA Premier League rule U18 so Joorabchian could not materially influence the club’s policy, or, finally, terminate its agreement with Joorabchian on the proviso that they would continue to behave in that manner and assert their rights over the player.

So what did they do?

Given that Tévez was central to the club’s hopes of staying in the Premiership, West Ham decided to terminate their agreement with Joorabchian and assert their rights over the player. As part of the agreement, West Ham would effectively have to answer to the Premier League regarding any future dealings with Tévez. Even if they wanted to, they could not simply terminate the player’s contract, but the decision left the club open to a legal action from Joorabchian for breach of contract.

So what has to happen to satisfy the Premier League before Tévez can join Manchester United?

United must strike a deal with West Ham for Tévez. That means that any fee – thought to be £6 million over the two years – would have to be paid to West Ham and not Joorabchian.

But couldn’t West Ham just receive a fee from United and then give it all to Joorabchian as compensation?

No. The Premier League would want to see that a “significant portion” of the transfer fee remained with West Ham and, given that it has power to scrutinise transactions over £25,000, that would be easy. Otherwise, it could be accused of trying to cover up the third-party agreements that caused so much controversy in the first place.

But what about Joorbachian? Won’t he try to sue West Ham if he does not receive some compensation for a player he holds the economic rights for?

He could, but it is likely that, somewhere down the line, West Ham will pay him a compensation fee in an out-of-court settlement, although that will have to be handled carefully.

westboy
11-07-2007, 12:32
BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Man Utd | League warns West Ham over Tevez (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/6290492.stm)

Could this play into West Ham's hands and give them an excuse for not letting Tevez go to Man Utd?

RedRabbit
11-07-2007, 13:34
This is getting more and more like a soap opera...

West Ham have to assert their rights over the player. If they don't it just gives more proof that there is a 3rd party ownership and that they should have been deducted points instead of receiving a fine.

westboy
11-07-2007, 13:39
What I don't get is that WH eventually signed Tevez legally, presumeably even though he was owned by a 3rd party and they disclosed the right documents presumeably. Why would the premierleague say that's fine but then they must receive a transfer fee?

RedRabbit
11-07-2007, 13:52
What I don't get is that WH eventually signed Tevez legally, presumeably even though he was owned by a 3rd party and they disclosed the right documents presumeably. Why would the premierleague say that's fine but then they must receive a transfer fee?

West Ham have Tevez's registration and they claim that they tore up the contract with MSI/Joorabchian. However, as we all know, just because you tear a contract doesn't mean it's void. Joorabchian still claims economic rights over Tevez, aka reap the benefits of sale or loan. Plus having a significant amount of the loan deal going to W. Ham carries on with the ruling previously handed out and it saves the league from getting egg on it's face (or more of it). Otherwise a big can of worms will be opened; but in my opinion, this is starting to happen.

Simonutd
11-07-2007, 14:06
sounds like this will take a long time to sort out, how confusing, glad im not a solicitor in all this, they must be confused sorting it all out

westboy
11-07-2007, 14:17
West Ham have Tevez's registration and they claim that they tore up the contract with MSI/Joorabchian. However, as we all know, just because you tear a contract doesn't mean it's void. Joorabchian still claims economic rights over Tevez, aka reap the benefits of sale or loan. Plus having a significant amount of the loan deal going to W. Ham carries on with the ruling previously handed out and it saves the league from getting egg on it's face (or more of it). Otherwise a big can of worms will be opened; but in my opinion, this is starting to happen.
'significant amount' means that a small amoutn money will go to WH right so that will presumeably satisfy the pl

as simon says glad im not a solicitor.

cliffy
11-07-2007, 14:33
So basically, if Joorabchian still owns Tevez, West Ham have lied and will be deducted points?

So if Tevez is still owned by Joorabchian, surely Man Utd shouldn't be allowed to sign him?

Simonutd
11-07-2007, 14:39
yeah thats what i got out of it, so if your first one is right then, looks like west ham should go down now and send sheffield united back up

westboy
11-07-2007, 14:39
Surely if it's a loan deal though then Man Utd will be allowed to sign him.

Simonutd
11-07-2007, 14:44
Surely if it's a loan deal though then Man Utd will be allowed to sign him.


if west ham dont own the player that cant loan him out and i dont think you can sub-loan players out, :boat:

RedRabbit
11-07-2007, 15:04
if west ham dont own the player that cant loan him out and i dont think you can sub-loan players out, :boat:

I think he would be loaned out by MSI but W. Ham must tear his registration. Similar to what they did with Mascherano.

Simonutd
11-07-2007, 15:09
from what i understand they cant do that cause that would be breach of contract this time or summert silly like that, i have no idea:boat:, its all very silly

RedRabbit
11-07-2007, 15:15
from what i understand they cant do that cause that would be breach of contract this time or summert silly like that, i have no idea:boat:, its all very silly

agreed, this whole thing is silly. Ship him off to Italy, they have enough corruption to bury all this :nodyes:

hammer9
11-07-2007, 21:55
West Ham wont go down and Tevez can f*** off! :nodyes:

Tevez give us big problems! So do Javier too!:no2:

Craig
11-07-2007, 22:01
West Ham wont go down and Tevez can f*** off! :nodyes:
Tevez give us big problems! So do Javier too!:no2:
Tevez has probably kept you in the Prem... But now you'll probably be out of it coz of him.

kiko
12-07-2007, 16:59
Basically the prem have fucked up and are now trying to cover there arses.

Unfortunately there arse is the size of a sumo.

boro_boy
12-07-2007, 17:00
They do look stupid now. Why can't they just sort things out rather than not being 100% sure if things have been sorted out? Its pathetic and someone needs to be sacked over this.

No way should this have dragged on for as long as it has done!!

westboy
12-07-2007, 17:02
BB for once I agree with you on the matter!

westboy
13-07-2007, 12:31
Another twist in the tale...the individual who owns them (or the media company should I say) is facing money laundering charges in Brazil. It's really started to stink of corruption.

boro_boy
13-07-2007, 14:08
Yes, total corruption and there is no way it can be hidden. Its been dodgy ever since it was found out West Ham had third party involvement. I think The Premier League know that he is still owned by MSI but they don't want to make a big fuss about it, and that is why they fined West Ham instead of docking points.

But they look like fools now, they thought it would be over after the fine was issued and then they thought it would be over after the abratration. But it continues to go on and on and on. This has to be one of the biggest cases of corruption to hit the Premier League.

Nothing will happen to the clubs now, in the terms of relegation/promotion. The only thing that will happen imo is that Sheffield United get a big chunk of compensation for the Premier League. West Ham shouldn't have to pay anything to Sheffield United as they were cleared by the Premier League so it all has to be blamed on the Premier League now.

hammer9
13-07-2007, 16:42
SO!


Its finsihed now....Sheff Utd are so idiots LOL.

West Ham staying in Premier League and Tevez can fuck off to Man Utd then West Ham have a peace now.:thumbup: