Booing Your Team

[poolie_chick]

Do you think it is right or wrong to boo your team?

After the disgraceful performance at the Vic against the visitors, Cheltenham, a lot of Hartlepool United fans booed, in disbelief more than anything I think.

I didn't boo as I'm not actually sure whether it is right or wrong, and I'm also unsure of whether it's effective when the next match, it could all turn around and you could be cheering your heart out for the lads.

Have you, and would you boo your team if they under-performed, and if so, would this be after just one match or over a longer period of the season?

[Black Swan]

Do you think it is right or wrong to boo your team?

After the disgraceful performance at the Vic against the visitors, Cheltenham, a lot of Hartlepool United fans booed, in disbelief more than anything I think.

I didn't boo as I'm not actually sure whether it is right or wrong, and I'm also unsure of whether it's effective when the next match, it could all turn around and you could be cheering your heart out for the lads.

Have you, and would you boo your team if they under-performed, and if so, would this be after just one match or over a longer period of the season?

I would never boo or heckle a Leeds United player, it does the team no good at all.

[wednesday4life]

i've booed them before- the last few times it was widespread at half-time we've come badk to get at least a point

[CHRIS-REEVES]

I can honestly say i have never booed my team and i have seen and been to some shocking games. I dont see it fair to boo them, surely it dont do much for morale.(Look at Newcastle) Especially when the England team got booed. When the chips are down you gotta get behind the team.

[poolie_chick]

I would never boo or heckle a Leeds United player, it does the team no good at all.

I think that all depends on how long they've been under performing for. If it's just one or two games, it knocks their performance and makes them continue playing crap. After a long period of playing terribly and just expecting to be on the first team week in, week out, I think it hits some players and makes them think that actually, it's like any other job, and it's their job to perform and keep up a high standard in order to keep the "customers" who've paid for their "service" happy.

[poolie_chick]

When the chips are down you gotta get behind the team.

Very true, yes. Sometimes, a team, or players need a bit of support and confidence from the fans in order to perform well, but if you ordered a meat-feast pizza and it came without the meat on it, you wouldn't exactly praise the shop, right?

[superally]

Wouldnt boo for a poor performance,But if its through lack of effort,then yeah i do my nut!

[wednesday4life]

Very true, yes. Sometimes, a team, or players need a bit of support and confidence from the fans in order to perform well, but if you ordered a meat-feast pizza and it came without the meat on it, you wouldn't exactly praise the shop, right?

if they can't cope with booing they're in the wrong profession

[poolie_chick]

Wouldnt boo for a poor performance,But if its through lack of effort,then yeah i do my nut!

Well a poor performance is through lack of effort, isn't it. If they lose, that doesn't necessarily mean that they've put in a bad performance but just because they win, it doesn't mean they've put in a lot of effort either.

Whether they win or not, a team should put in a lot of effort and prove that they are worthy of the fans there supporting them. Everybody has their "off" days but overall, there should be a high level of effort, IMO.

[superally]

if they can't cope with booing they're in the wrong profession

Aye true enough!

Does a factory worker get a bollocking from his boss,if he messes things up?

[poolie_chick]

Aye true enough!

Does a factory worker get a bollocking from his boss,if he messes things up?

That's my point exactly. Being a footballer has a job description along with any other job and if a player isn't performing well then the people who pay their wages are more than entitled to give them a good bollocking. I'm just not sure that it's always effective.

[superally]

I think the factory worker would make the effort the next day,not to make the same cock ups he did the previous day!

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Great point by SA if they aint putting the effort in then i guess fair enough. But then that comes down to the manager cos if my Pizza came wiv no meat, then the manager failed to see that.

[poolie_chick]

Great point by SA if they aint putting the effort in then i guess fair enough. But then that comes down to the manager cos if my Pizza came wiv no meat, then the manager failed to see that.

But the manager isn't getting paid to make the pizza. The manager of a football club doesn't wear the strip and jump on the pitch on match-days.

[Black Swan]

I think that all depends on how long they've been under performing for. If it's just one or two games, it knocks their performance and makes them continue playing crap. After a long period of playing terribly and just expecting to be on the first team week in, week out, I think it hits some players and makes them think that actually, it's like any other job, and it's their job to perform and keep up a high standard in order to keep the "customers" who've paid for their "service" happy.

I watched Leeds through the eighties, we played some indifferent football at times.

But it was circumstances that dictated, some of the players were at times not up to the standard of the then 2nd Division. But the effort was there.

It has been the same story over the last 3 or 4 years at times, things have been hard, the club have dropped, players have left for obvious reasons.

But the players have played on, with great pride and resolve.

You can tell at times, particularly last year that we were totally out played in some games, that does not mean that the players are necessarily under performing, it just means in a lot of cases that the other team were in most cases technically better players.

This season we have not played well really, but it is taking shape.

I have had differences of opinion with other Leeds fans over the years regarding some of them booing the team off.

If one player is getting stick of the crowd it affects the whole team.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

The manager gets paid to get the very best out of his staff/squad. Its beyond me how players of any side fail to put 100 percent into every game. Not the money but i played a few times in front of a few hundred people only and the buzz was something else.( dont tell the MRS) They should get a realization check now and then.

[wednesday4life]

If one player is getting stick of the crowd it affects the whole team.not always- the other year we booed our left back constantly because he was a liability for twenty minutes. he went off before half time and everyone else pulled it round

[poolie_chick]

But by under-performed I mean they did not perform to their capability; they didn't put in the effort. I know personally, I would rather Hartlepool put in 100% effort and lose than just not be arsed and let teams walk all over us, especially when it's teams that we're more than able to thrash.

[jonesy]

Aye true enough!

Does a factory worker get a bollocking from his boss,if he messes things up?
If he's a good boss though he should be able to inspire the worker to do better, not just kill his morale with negetive criticism. I'm sure most players know when they've put in a bad performance, dont need the boos from the crowd to rub it in. I've felt at St James' on the odd occasion the crowd have contributed to bad performances by getting on the players backs way too early in the game.

[poolie_chick]

If he's a good boss though he should be able to inspire the worker to do better, not just kill his morale with negetive criticism.

True, but then how do the crowd make constructive criticism? It's very difficult for a fan to critcise a player without it being negative.

[jonesy]

True, but then how do the crowd make constructive criticism? It's very difficult for a fan to critcise a player without it being negative.
Good point!

[poolie_chick]

The fans can only really do two things which are especially taken notice of during the match, which is cheering and booing. Booing is negative criticism and cheering isn't criticising them at all. There are the odd few people who shout stuff like "Come on, you can do better than that!" and things like that but it's hardly going to be heard by the player or team in amongst hundreds or thousands of fans.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Hartlepool..thousands of fans!!:LolLolLolLol: But seriously its a tough one to call. I dont think you could eva keep a football fan happy all the time. Also if the manager cant get 100percent out of a player or 2 then it is usually him that goes and your still left wiv a shite team.

[jonesy]

Hartlepool..thousands of fans!!:LolLolLolLol: But seriously its a tough one to call. I dont think you could eva keep a football fan happy all the time. Also if the manager cant get 100percent out of a player or 2 then it is usually him that goes and your still left wiv a shite team.
All players are allowed the odd shite performance surely. Even when I play five-a-side there are days when I rock and days when I'm utter shite. In my day job there are days I feel good about my performance and days I feel I've failed. What I do know is that its usully when I'm feeling confident and good about myself that I do best, and surely when it comes to making your team feel good the fans have a vital role to play.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Yeah course they are, but some have more than others. Def a confidence thing. Its hard to get it back but it dont take much. But as a manager do you stick by them and risk your job or drop em. I think that was Big Sams undoing.

[Black Swan]

All players are allowed the odd shite performance surely. Even when I play five-a-side there are days when I rock and days when I'm utter shite. In my day job there are days I feel good about my performance and days I feel I've failed. What I do know is that its usully when I'm feeling confident and good about myself that I do best, and surely when it comes to making your team feel good the fans have a vital role to play.

Good post.

I just cannot believe that you ever under perform Miss Jones.

[CFC_Hardcore]

Well when you pay allot for a ticket and the team performs dire and the other team has filed day then can you blame the fans for booing

I don't agree with it to be honest i think the team would perform better when you sing there name rather then booing them and putting them under pressure

[wednesday4life]

Well when you pay allot for a ticket and the team performs dire and the other team has filed day then can you blame the fans for booing

I don't agree with it to be honest i think the team would perform better when you sing there name rather then booing them and putting them under pressure

if they can't cope with booing what are they doing playing football?

[Artetas Gem]

I have never boo8d my team off the pitch i belive in getting behind them even when they pee me off i just cant boo them

[Black Swan]

Well when you pay allot for a ticket and the team performs dire and the other team has filed day then can you blame the fans for booing

I don't agree with it to be honest i think the team would perform better when you sing there name rather then booing them and putting them under pressure

I have never boo8d my team off the pitch i belive in getting behind them even when they pee me off i just cant boo them

I agree with both these posts,.

Good attitude from IMO my sort of fan.

[FourOneFourOne]

I'll boo if I think the player/team deserves it. Last two times were Marcus Bent away to Millwall, when he clearly couldn't be arsed (it was a few days before his transfer) and the team vs. Spurs last season, when we were ridiculously defensive. They needed the kick up the arse, and it seemed to work.

[poolie_chick]

I sway both ways to be honest. I don't boo, but I understand why people do sometimes. I mean, after one or two bad games there's no need because everybody has crappy days where they don't do their best.

But, Black Swan, if football is a religion, then it's disappointing to see your faith collapse right in front of your eyes. I'm not talking about lack of skill, I'm talking about lack of effort and a kind of apathy about the players. I kind of feel that sometimes they players only ever think that their performance effects them when it has an effect on the club as a whole, inclusive of fans, and sometimes when fans boo, it reminds the players of the bigger consequence of not giving a $hit.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

What about performance related pay..........?

[Artetas Gem]

I always remember the 97-98 season i never boo'd Gareth Farrelly even though in 99% of games he proberly deserved it the people around me boo'd his every touch

last game of the season he scores one of the most important goals to be scored for everton

i have too much faith in players beliving that one day they will produce something special and he did

glad we sold him like

[poolie_chick]

What about performance related pay..........?
I think that would work but it may also be unfair sometimes, for example, when players have an off-day or when they've got private issues, as does everybody. It's not fair to punish them for things out of their hands. I actually think a good system would be to pay all players less overall, and award good performers and effort-full players a bonus.

I always remember the 97-98 season i never boo'd Gareth Farrelly even though in 99% of games he proberly deserved it the people around me boo'd his every touch

last game of the season he scores one of the most important goals to be scored for everton

i have too much faith in players beliving that one day they will produce something special and he did

glad we sold him like

Does that not just prove that booing worked? :nodyes:

[poolie_chick]

What about performance related pay..........?

Another problem with that is you will get unncessary competition within the team, with players refusing to pass to their team mates in a better positon, all in hope of scoring so they get more pay.

[Black Swan]

I think that some fans are all to ready to jump on a player who is having a bad game.

In their frustration they make the mistake of thinking that the player is not up the game, when the player is generally busting a gut but things ain't working out for him.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

I think that would work but it may also be unfair sometimes, for example, when players have an off-day or when they've got private issues, as does everybody. It's not fair to punish them for things out of their hands. I actually think a good system would be to pay all players less overall, and award good performers and effort-full players a bonus.

But then the players who think they have played a good game get the hump when they dont get the extra. Sometimes the effort of players is just not good enough because they aint good enough.

[Darren]

I have never booed my team in a game, and I never would. I don't even like going early, even if we're about 6-0 down. Of course that would never happen to Mossley anyway.

[poolie_chick]

I definitely don't agree with going early. You stick it out with your team and anyone who walks out because you're losing are simply there for the glory, IMO. Booing is a means of communicating with your team sometimes.

[Artetas Gem]

I think that would work but it may also be unfair sometimes, for example, when players have an off-day or when they've got private issues, as does everybody. It's not fair to punish them for things out of their hands. I actually think a good system would be to pay all players less overall, and award good performers and effort-full players a bonus.



Does that not just prove that booing worked? :nodyes:

It wasnt loud enough lol it was only a section of people behind me :nodyes:


i did read an interview i think it was with Micheal Ball that he enjoys it when he is boo'd as it makes him work harder on his game to please them

[poolie_chick]

It wasnt loud enough lol it was only a section of people behind me :nodyes:


i did read an interview i think it was with Micheal Ball that he enjoys it when he is boo'd as it makes him work harder on his game to please them

Exactly. Like Seaman once said, when you're at the goal where the other team's fans are, and they're booing you and mocking you, it just gets you into the rhythm of the game and give a big "fcuk you" to them by playing your heart out.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Its an agree and disagree one. 1..If you boo your team knows you are unhappy and will do something about it next game. If you do nothing they may carry on going about it not knowing they are playing shite.
2.. If you boo your team get the hump and confidence goes downhill and it repeats itself next game.

[poolie_chick]

Its an agree and disagree one. 1..If you boo your team knows you are unhappy and will do something about it next game. If you do nothing they may carry on going about it not knowing they are playing shite.
2.. If you boo your team get the hump and confidence goes downhill and it repeats itself next game.

My point exactly.

[Artetas Gem]

The bloke who sits on the row infront of me boo'd when we humped Sunderland a while back some people are never happy lol

[Shanks1965]

Never done any Booing of me own team & I never will!!
As for leaving early thats another no go for me! There was a lad sitting next to me at the Istanbul euro cup final who left at half time, 2 others off our coach did same thing!
Do you think they will regret that for the rest of their lives????????????

Tits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[poolie_chick]

Never done any Booing of me own team & I never will!!
As for leaving early thats another no go for me! There was a lad sitting next to me at the Istanbul euro cup final who left at half time, 2 others off our coach did same thing!
Do you think they will regret that for the rest of their lives????????????

Tits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Calm down Shanks, it's only a commercial! :nodyes:

I do hate "FANS" who leave the stadium early because they're losing though. On Tuesday when Pools played the crappest they've played all season, a handful of people left and I started shouting at them and told them it's best they get home cos they don't belong here :nodyes: I get so irate :icon_redface:

[jonesy]

Have to say always admired the Pool fans for the way they stay behind the team...very admirable.

[poolie_chick]

Have to say always admired the Pool fans for the way they stay behind the team...very admirable.

We are, aren't we :nodyes:

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Have to say always admired the Pool fans for the way they stay behind the team...very admirable.

North East fans probably are the most loyal though.

[Black Swan]

Fans of some clubs sometimes give a new player a hard time if he has replaced a club favourite. That is why I am proud to follow Leeds , because the fans have been fantastic over the last few years especially.

Six years ago we were top of the prem in Januaruy 2002, our squad that year included

Bakke, Batty, Bowyer, Dacourt, Duberry, Ferdinand, Fowler, Harte, Seth Johnson, Keane, Kelly, Martyn, Matteo, Maybury, McPhail, Mill, Smith, Viduka, Wilcox and Woodgate.

It is well documented what has happened since. But in all that time, with all the comings and goings the Leeds United fans have supported the in coming players, they have supported and cheered their efforts, even though it is quite apparent that the players have not had the ability and class of the players they replaced.

I am proud to be associated with those fans, and no I would never boo a player who pulls that shirt on, with that Leeds United badge sitting proudly upon it.

[Artetas Gem]

I have left a stadium early once but that was for a rugby game and it was my first away game with my mate without an adult and we had forgot where the coach was so we left 10 mins early to find it

thats allowed isant it

[poolie_chick]

North East fans probably are the most loyal though.

They have to be... seen the clip of the teams :nodyes:

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Fans of some clubs sometimes give a new player a hard time if he has replaced a club favourite. That is why I am proud to follow Leeds , because the fans have been fantastic over the last few years especially.

Six years ago we were top of the prem in Januaruy 2002, our squad that year included

Bakke, Batty, Bowyer, Dacourt, Duberry, Ferdinand, Fowler, Harte, Seth Johnson, Keane, Kelly, Martyn, Matteo, Maybury, McPhail, Mill, Smith, Viduka, Wilcox and Woodgate.

It is well documented what has happened since. But in all that time, with all the comings and goings the Leeds United fans have supported the in coming players, they have supported and cheered their efforts, even though it is quite apparent that the players have not had the ability and class of the players they replaced.

I am proud to be associated with those fans, and no I would never boo a player who pulls that shirt on, with that Leeds United badge sitting proudly upon it.

So what happened the other year when you was hardly gettin a crowd...:animatedfear:

[jonesy]

North East fans probably are the most loyal though.
Depends how you express that loyalty though. Dont get to St James' as often as I'd like, so maybe I shouldn't comment, but last few games I've been to the away fans have outsung us by miles, simply because the Toon are more intent on complaining and booing. I'm sure its down to their loyalty and passion that they boo, but it wasn't an enjoyable experience..

[Black Swan]

North East fans probably are the most loyal though.

Get it right, this one always makes me laugh.

Newcastle' average attendance in 1990/91 - 16,879

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Depends how you express that loyalty though. Dont get to St James' as often as I'd like, so maybe I shouldn't comment, but last few games I've been to the away fans have outsung us by miles, simply because the Toon are more intent on complaining and booing. I'm sure its down to their loyalty and passion that they boo, but it wasn't an enjoyable experience..

To be fair it aint uncommon that away fans are usually more up for it. especially at the bigger grounds. I can vouch they wanna prove a point.

[jonesy]

Get it right, this one always makes me laugh.

Newcastle' average attendance in 1990/91 - 16,879
Ground was smaller then mind. Still you're right. I went often back then, and there was never any trouble paying at the gate. Things soon changed when they got promoted though, I was priced out straight away!

[Black Swan]

So what happened the other year when you was hardly gettin a crowd...:animatedfear:

QPR attendances -

2004/05 - 16055
2005/06 - 13440
2006/07 - 12936

Crowds, what do you know about a crowd.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

QPR attendances -

2004/05 - 16055
2005/06 - 13440
2006/07 - 12936

Crowds, what do you know about a crowd.

WO THERE I aint biggin up QPR only asked a question. We hold 19000 max depends on away fans. Just gonna type a few things in google and work out who has the better ratio / capacity from 04.:boat:

[Black Swan]

WO THERE I aint biggin up QPR only asked a question. We hold 19000 max depends on away fans. Just gonna type a few things in google and work out who has the better ratio / capacity from 04.:boat:

QPR quite easily.

[domcassells]

WO THERE I aint biggin up QPR only asked a question. We hold 19000 max depends on away fans. Just gonna type a few things in google and work out who has the better ratio / capacity from 04.:boat:

are you sure you can do that mate, you got rach helping you out, lol

[CHRIS-REEVES]

QPR attendances -

2004/05 - 16055
2005/06 - 13440
2006/07 - 12936

Crowds, what do you know about a crowd.

2006/07 - 21613
Your capacity 39,457

I make that just over half my friend!!:thumbup:

[CHRIS-REEVES]

are you sure you can do that mate, you got rach helping you out, lol

Easy son. How did you get on this weekend.. Its funny you get some mad ones on here.:LolLolLolLol:

[Black Swan]

QPR quite easily.

2006/07 - 21613
Your capacity 39,457

I make that just over half my friend!!:thumbup:

Already posted, do concentrate,

QPR are 12th in the championship ratio chart.

I make that half way down friend.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Already posted, do concentrate,

QPR are 12th in the championship ratio chart.

I make that half way down friend.

24 teams in the Championship, which makes us half way UP!! My pessimistic Friend!

[jonesy]

Hey you two! Isn't your argument off topic?

[Black Swan]

24 teams in the Championship, which makes us half way UP!! My pessimistic Friend!

Whatever, my pedantic friend.

Leeds Uniteds capacity is 40,204. But the upper East Stand is closed at the moment.

2007/08 average attendance is 27498, 68.3% of the total capacity, we are currently second in the Div 1 % attendance ratings/ capacity ratio.

Hartlepool are a creditable 5th.

But both you and I have strayed of thread.

I have never, nor will I ever boo a Leeds United player.

[CHRIS-REEVES]

Whatever, my pedantic friend.

Leeds Uniteds capacity is 40,204. But the upper East Stand is closed at the moment.

2007/08 average attendance is 27498, 68.3% of the total capacity, we are currently second in the Div 1 % attendance ratings/ capacity ratio.

Hartlepool are a creditable 5th.

But both you and I have strayed of thread.

I have never, nor will I ever boo a Leeds United player.

Fair play. Myself i cant imagine booing my team i love and follow all round the country. Lets all get back behind our teams. Dont matter if they are (MILLWALL) Shite.

[jonesy]

But both you and I have strayed of thread.

I have never, nor will I ever boo a Leeds United player.

Well done Mr Swan I knew you wouldn't let me down.

[poolie_chick]

Hartlepool are a creditable 5th.


This is at home games, yes? If so, I'm actually very surprised because we're more of an away supporting bunch than a home one, which is quite weird really.

[jonesy]

Fair play. Myself i cant imagine booing my team i love and follow all round the country. Lets all get back behind our teams. Dont matter if they are (MILLWALL) Shite.
Here, here!:thumbup1:

[Black Swan]

This is at home games, yes? If so, I'm actually very surprised because we're more of an away supporting bunch than a home one, which is quite weird really.

On average your ground is 66.0% full.

The Reever would probably say 34% empty.

Northampton are no 1 with a 68.5% full stadium.

They didn't boo their players at Leeds.

[poolie_chick]

On average your ground is 66.0% full.

The Reever would probably say 34% empty.

Northampton are no 1 with a 68.5% full stadium.

They didn't boo their players at Leeds.

Aaah, we're going on percentage not actual numbers. Hmm, 2/3 full... that will do I suppose, I'll blame the last third on the rink (away) end :nodyes:

[MickyBarronsLeftFoot]

I Got To Admit I Boo'ed At 1 game This Season The Huddersfield Away Game, we had 2 shots at goal all game and they were both off target, absolute Rubbish if u ask me.

[triniboi101]

Sometimes booing your team is the only way you let out your frustration and let the manager and team know how you're feeling. On the other hand, it can just degrade the team spirit even further than it already was.