TV blackout in the dug-outs.

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Television monitors will not be allowed in Premier League dug-outs next season. They reckon that it will stop managers verbally abusing officials as they leave the pitch after a game.

Managers will now find it difficult to argue with referee's next season when all TV monitors will be removed from the technical and tunnel areas.

Managers and their assistants wont be able to see slow-motion replays and use it against referees and linemen when controversial decisions go against them. Is this a good move or a bad move, do you think?

doesn't make a difference- they still go up to the referee after the game, they still get to see the footage at that point

whats it going to change, apart from stopping them arguing what in reality are minor decisions- they'll still remember the major ones (and if anyone remembers ian holloway the other season, they'll argue, watch, realise the ref was right and argue anyway)

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Originally Posted by wednesday4life

doesn't make a difference- they still go up to the referee after the game, they still get to see the footage at that point

whats it going to change, apart from stopping them arguing what in reality are minor decisions- they'll still remember the major ones (and if anyone remembers ian holloway the other season, they'll argue, watch, realise the ref was right and argue anyway)

I don't think managers should ever approach a referee anyway. They should leave with their players down the tunnel and not be allowed to protest. Being able to watch video highlights after the game can be just as effective if they want to use the evidence in controversial decisions.

why shouldn't they be allowed to?

they deserve an explanation- especially some of the decisions that go against us

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Originally Posted by wednesday4life

why shouldn't they be allowed to?

they deserve an explanation- especially some of the decisions that go against us

Referees are the officials and shouldn’t be questioned in my opinion. Ok, all referees make mistakes but the time and place for appeals should be after the match.

Approaching the referee in an aggressive manner won’t help a manager’s case anyway. Managers don’t expect bad attitudes towards them by their own players when they make a decision. And if the players do, they’re usually fined quite heavily.

The same approach should be between Managers and referees. The referee is officially in charge of that match, no one else, and his decision, whether right or wrong should not be questioned.

All the evidence is still available to the managers and as long as they lodge an official complaint to the fourth official or whoever within say 7 days, then that’s all that needs to be done. It’s a much better way than to see the likes of Ferguson and Wenger waving their arms about at the referee when he walks off.

they should not be stopped, ever, approaching a referee half an hour after like is already the case- if they can't explain it then then they will only be able to find excuses and not reasons anyway

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Originally Posted by wednesday4life

they should not be stopped, ever, approaching a referee half an hour after like is already the case- if they can't explain it then then they will only be able to find excuses and not reasons anyway

How can the referee's get away with excuses when there's video evidence to prove otherwise?

it's easy- video evidence in a case based on opinion is not evidence

why should managers not be allowed to question them?

why should they be allowed 7 days before someone points out that the red card they produced against the keeper was a blatant dive after the striker started 3 yards offside?

why shouldn't they be expected to answer straight after the final whistle?


as for managers not expecting a bad attitude, 1) they often get it anway- think of all the reported bust-ups, then increase it ten-fold to find the real amount
2) they are players superiors, referees aren't employed by the club to keep the manager in check

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Originally Posted by wednesday4life

it's easy- video evidence in a case based on opinion is not evidence

If the referee's opinion and decision is proved wrong then any video evidence to prove that, will be used against the referee and therefore it's eveidence

why should managers not be allowed to question them?

I agree that managers should be able to question a referee's decision if it's controversial. But the idea of stopping TV video in the dug-outs is to prevent a manager from confronting an official in an aggressive manner.

why should they be allowed 7 days before someone points out that the red card they produced against the keeper was a blatant dive after the striker started 3 yards offside?

Well presumably an official protest will be lodged within hours of the game finishing. And if any desision by the referee is proved to be wrong then a red card would then be overturned.

why shouldn't they be expected to answer straight after the final whistle?

A referee doesn't have the advantage of a slow-motion video replay. He has to make a decision in a split second and if it is a controversial desision then it's only fair that he should see the video evidence after the match.

as for managers not expecting a bad attitude, 1) they often get it anway- think of all the reported bust-ups, then increase it ten-fold to find the real amount
2) they are players superiors, referees aren't employed by the club to keep the manager in check

The referee is in charge of the match he is refereeing. No one else. The manager is not allowed on the pitch during a game and the referee can send a manager off. On that evidence I would say that a referee is superior to any football manager during a game.

Answers to your above queries.

If the referee's opinion and decision is proved wrong then any video evidence to prove that, will be used against the referee and therefore it's eveidence

practically impossible to prove 99% of controversial decisions either right or wrong- evidence is not proof, it shows the same thing to a different person giving a different opinion

I agree that managers should be able to question a referee's decision if it's controversial. But the idea of stopping TV video in the dug-outs is to prevent a manager from confronting an official in an aggressive manner.

and how is it going to do that?

holloway, plymouth v wednesday, hillsborough 06/07- we don't have monitors, check his reaction

Well presumably an official protest will be lodged within hours of the game finishing. And if any desision by the referee is proved to be wrong then a red card would then be overturned

since when is it only cards that are controversial?

plus only straight reds can be appealed up to noon the next working day

A referee doesn't have the advantage of a slow-motion video replay. He has to make a decision in a split second and if it is a controversial desision then it's only fair that he should see the video evidence after the match.

why? all thats doing is letting him prepare excuses

A referee doesn't have the advantage of a slow-motion video replay. He has to make a decision in a split second and if it is a controversial desision then it's only fair that he should see the video evidence after the match.

that doesn't explain why a manager should not be allowed to question/criticise

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This could go on all night. I've given you my opinion and I respect yours. I'm not going to get into a long-winded debate about it because you won't change my opinion on the matter.