So there is an immigration problem! The Daily Mail didn't make it up after all!

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Immigration has unsettled the country, says minister
By MATTHEW HICKLEY

Labour's immigration minister Liam Byrne has urged for tougher action to crack down on immigration crime

Writing in a think tank report Liam Byrne openly acknowledged that the pace of immigration was causing problems for some public services in the UK and said "laissez-faire immigration" risked damaging communities.

He urged tougher action to crack down on immigration crime, and concluded: "It's not racist for Labour to debate immigration; it's the real world - the world in which the people we represent live in [sic]."

Tory critics welcomed what they called Mr Byrne's "belated recognition" of concerns over the scale of immigration, but accused him of empty rhetoric without action.

Liam Byrne took over as Home Office immigration minister last May at the height of the foreign prisoners fiasco, which cost former Home Secretary Charles Clarke his job.

Since then Mr Byrne has faced derision over a string of policy initiatives, including sending illegal immigrants text messages urging them to go home, while John Reid has condemned the Home Office's Immigration and Nationality Directorate which enforces immigration policy as "not fit for purpose".

Mr Byrne's latest comments came in an essay published as part of an immigration pamphlet yesterday by the left-of-centre think tank the Policy Network.

Mr Byrne acknowledged that mounting public concern over immigration could not be blamed on media scaremongering, and highlighted the "political risks" facing governments which fail to tackle such concerns, citing governments in Austria, Denmark and the Netherlands which "lost power in elections where immigration was a serious issue."

He wrote: "We live in a world where migrants move faster than ministers, and the public services in some communities can find it difficult to change as quickly as their communities are changing."

Some local authorities and schools were struggling to cope with the influx of immigrants, he said, noting that at one junior school in his own Birmingham constituency the proportion of children with English as a second language rise from five per cent to 20 per cent in just one year.

In such circumstances, he said: "Boosting standards in some of our poorest communities gets harder."

On immigration crime, he said, it was "not populist to argue for a tough enforcement of our immigration laws – it is progressive", and claimed that a "much bigger detention estate" would make it possible to lock up more offenders.

Mr Byrne called for a "more open debate about what immigration is good for Britain that takes into account its wider impact."

Opposition critics were left unimpressed by such robust rhetoric.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "We are glad the minister has belatedly recognised our concerns but tough rhetoric is no answer whatsoever.

"People are sick of Labour talking tough but acting dumb. Conservatives would talk sensibly and act robustly."

Record levels of immigration have seen the UK's immigrant population grow by around 1.5million since Labour came to power in 1997.

The decision to allow eastern European workers free access to work in the UK when the EU expanded in 2004 led to a massive influx of more than 600,000 people, making a mockery of the Government's prediction of just 13,000 a year.

Last month ministers announced that they are finally to investigate the huge impact immigration is having on schools, hospitals and "social cohesion" in the UK.

Now ministers are promising to curb the number of low-skilled workers allowed to enter the UK each year from outside the EU.

Tougher border controls are also being promised, with exit checks reintroduced for all passengers - but not until 2014 at the earliest.

[boro_boy]

Originally Posted by Lennon Saviour of E

Immigration has unsettled the country, says minister
By MATTHEW HICKLEY

Labour's immigration minister Liam Byrne has urged for tougher action to crack down on immigration crime

Writing in a think tank report Liam Byrne openly acknowledged that the pace of immigration was causing problems for some public services in the UK and said "laissez-faire immigration" risked damaging communities.

He urged tougher action to crack down on immigration crime, and concluded: "It's not racist for Labour to debate immigration; it's the real world - the world in which the people we represent live in [sic]."

Tory critics welcomed what they called Mr Byrne's "belated recognition" of concerns over the scale of immigration, but accused him of empty rhetoric without action.

Liam Byrne took over as Home Office immigration minister last May at the height of the foreign prisoners fiasco, which cost former Home Secretary Charles Clarke his job.

Since then Mr Byrne has faced derision over a string of policy initiatives, including sending illegal immigrants text messages urging them to go home, while John Reid has condemned the Home Office's Immigration and Nationality Directorate which enforces immigration policy as "not fit for purpose".

Mr Byrne's latest comments came in an essay published as part of an immigration pamphlet yesterday by the left-of-centre think tank the Policy Network.

Mr Byrne acknowledged that mounting public concern over immigration could not be blamed on media scaremongering, and highlighted the "political risks" facing governments which fail to tackle such concerns, citing governments in Austria, Denmark and the Netherlands which "lost power in elections where immigration was a serious issue."

He wrote: "We live in a world where migrants move faster than ministers, and the public services in some communities can find it difficult to change as quickly as their communities are changing."

Some local authorities and schools were struggling to cope with the influx of immigrants, he said, noting that at one junior school in his own Birmingham constituency the proportion of children with English as a second language rise from five per cent to 20 per cent in just one year.

In such circumstances, he said: "Boosting standards in some of our poorest communities gets harder."

On immigration crime, he said, it was "not populist to argue for a tough enforcement of our immigration laws – it is progressive", and claimed that a "much bigger detention estate" would make it possible to lock up more offenders.

Mr Byrne called for a "more open debate about what immigration is good for Britain that takes into account its wider impact."

Opposition critics were left unimpressed by such robust rhetoric.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "We are glad the minister has belatedly recognised our concerns but tough rhetoric is no answer whatsoever.

"People are sick of Labour talking tough but acting dumb. Conservatives would talk sensibly and act robustly."

Record levels of immigration have seen the UK's immigrant population grow by around 1.5million since Labour came to power in 1997.

The decision to allow eastern European workers free access to work in the UK when the EU expanded in 2004 led to a massive influx of more than 600,000 people, making a mockery of the Government's prediction of just 13,000 a year.

Last month ministers announced that they are finally to investigate the huge impact immigration is having on schools, hospitals and "social cohesion" in the UK.

Now ministers are promising to curb the number of low-skilled workers allowed to enter the UK each year from outside the EU.

Tougher border controls are also being promised, with exit checks reintroduced for all passengers - but not until 2014 at the earliest.

Right its, good to read your threads but to get the discussion going, can you please post your opinions on the story? What you agree with, what you don't, what you would do and any other thing you would like to say about it.

It just makes it for a better debate. We never hear what you have to say about these stories.

[westboy]

what's your opinion BB?

I personally think it's all talk and until they take action I'm not even going to listen to their lies

[VidicMonster]

couldnt be arsed to read that. we already know there's an immigration problem

[westboy]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

couldnt be arsed to read that. we already know there's an immigration problem

yes but members of government talking about it in such a way is somewhat of a rareity although as i said them doing about as likely as Brentford staying in league one this season.

[boro_boy]

Well these imigrants do participate in a lot of crime mostly in drugs and prostetution. But we can't really sayits just them, we also have a lot of home grown English/Welsh/Scottish people who are part of gangs dealing with drugs and prostetution. I think its being blown out of proportion as per usual.

[westboy]

Originally Posted by boro_boy

Well these imigrants do participate in a lot of crime mostly in drugs and prostetution. But we can't really sayits just them, we also have a lot of home grown English/Welsh/Scottish people who are part of gangs dealing with drugs and prostetution. I think its being blown out of proportion as per usual.

That's true but even if they don't do anything wrong it should be the people who are currently sitting on their unemployment benefit who get the jobs not immigrants. I don't blame the immigrants as I'd do it and I don't blame the unemployed because why work when you get paid for doing nothing but I DO blame the government because they are doing NOTHING as yet about it.

Even Cameron said he'd bring a 'offer 3 jobs then your off benefits' scheme if he came to power

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

couldnt be arsed to read that. we already know there's an immigration problem

Yeah I know. But the amusing thing is there's an amazing number of dozy ****ers out there who don't get it even now- in spite of my sterling efforts, or just refuse to admit it for some "political stance" reason.

If anyone cares to disagree, I am ALWAYS more than willing to put them straight.

[boro_boy]

Originally Posted by westboy

That's true but even if they don't do anything wrong it should be the people who are currently sitting on their unemployment benefit who get the jobs not immigrants. I don't blame the immigrants as I'd do it and I don't blame the unemployed because why work when you get paid for doing nothing but I DO blame the government because they are doing NOTHING as yet about it.

Even Cameron said he'd bring a 'offer 3 jobs then your off benefits' scheme if he came to power

'offer 3 jobs then your off benefits'

That would be quality and i'd vote for them if they did that.

[superally]

Has nobody heard of Enoch Powell? The rivers of blood speech..He was branded heretic back then,but he was right.
Talk about bolting the stable door after the horse has bolted,blimey.

[boro_boy]

Nope never heard of him of the speech.

[superally]

Originally Posted by boro_boy

Nope never heard of him of the speech.

You should look it up on the net mate,its good reading.i posted it in debates forum last year.

[Lennon Saviour of E]

Originally Posted by boro_boy

Nope never heard of him of the speech.

That's a joke right?

[superally]

Heres a link for those who wanna read it.
Rivers of Blood speech by Enoch Powell

[boro_boy]

Found it here:
http://www.sterlingtimes.org/powell_speech.doc

Might read it if I have time but I don't really read much. Wonder if there is an audio for it.