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It all gets back to the question I asked immediately after the referendum:-

Why is a deal necessary and what the fuck do the French and Germans think Britain owes them?

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2 hours ago, Hairy Scot said:

It all gets back to the question I asked immediately after the referendum:-

Why is a deal necessary and what the fuck do the French and Germans think Britain owes them?

Interesting read

We do not owe the EU any money as a Brexit divorce bill. That is the conclusion that Martin Howe QC, Chairman of Lawyers for Britain, and Charlie Elphicke MP have come to after an exhaustive analysis (click to download full report) of the claims the EU Commission sent to the British Government in June. The Government would, therefore, be right to stand firm and not be blackmailed into a multi-billion pound divorce bill. Particularly as it transpires that the legal position is that the EU owes us €10 billion.

The European Commission’s negotiating guidelines state that any financial settlement between the UK and the EU should respect in full the financial obligations resulting from the whole period of our membership. The EU’s approach clearly represents the most extensive possible claim it can make.

The EU’s main claim appears to be that the UK is obliged to contribute to the EU’s budget for a period of roughly two years after withdrawal. This claim is without merit as a matter of international law. The EU’s “Own Resources Decision” and its “Multiannual Financial Framework” are legally subordinate to the EU treaties. They have no binding force in law independently of the treaties. Therefore they cease to impose any legal obligation on the date when the Treaties themselves cease to apply to the UK – on March 29 2019.

The EU’s second claim relates to the large deficit of its staff pension scheme. The UK could not be liable for a share of that without having a claim on a corresponding share of EU assets. Yet there is no general practice in international law of States making or receiving balancing payments representing the net assets or liabilities of an international organisation when they join or withdraw. No such balancing payments were made when Member States joined the EU. It is therefore difficult to see any credible basis upon which the UK is obliged to make any net payment when it leaves.

The European Investment Bank (EIB) is in a rather different position. Member States have paid up capital to this organisation, and that capital stands in its books. There is a compelling argument that the UK, on EU exit, is entitled to the return of its paid up capital and to a corresponding share of the accumulated reserves of the EIB. This amounts to about €10 billion.

The adjudication of these claims does not fall under the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice under the EU treaties, or the International Court of Justice under its Statute. Because of the strength of the UK’s legal position, the Government could propose that these financial claims (and its own counter-claims) be submitted to binding international arbitration before a neutral forum. Such a course is customary in settling questions of international law. It would make it clear the UK is intent on meeting its proper legal obligations. It could also provide a route to unlock the deadlock over these financial claims in the exit negotiations.

It is not just a question of international law. It is also hard to see any moral basis for making a financial payment to the EU on departure. Nevertheless, it may be that in order for the UK to leave the EU on a positive note and to focus on building deeper relationships with the rest of the world, making a payment would speed things along. There may be value for the UK in achieving a departure with goodwill and to achieve that departure speedily. Then we can concentrate on trade with the rest of the world – markets that will account for over 80% of future global growth. It is far from ideal to be stuck in a rut haggling over figures with an important trading partner. However, whatever value there is in making such a payment, it is clearly not of the kind of levels the EU Commission might like to imagine.

Our report shows how weak the European Commission’s claims for payment are. Their position paper fails to provide a credible argument why the UK should be legally liable for the vast sums of money being claimed. In law, we will owe no money at all to the EU when account is taken of what we are owed for the return of capital the UK has in the EIB. The Brexit Secretary David Davis has said that the Government is going through the European Commission’s claims ‘line by line’. He is right to do so – because it is clear we do not owe the EU any money.

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Just fucking leave FOR FUCK SAKE, leave the EU don't pay them ANYTHING. If they start being awkward, import all our fruit, veg, cars from outside the EU. We will get deals straightaway SURELY!!! Fuck them, they are cunts, we have no friends in the EU, the US are our best Allies!!!

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On 11/06/2019 at 18:59, Normski said:

Burley not only a lying cunt but a cheeky cunt

 

Have no time for that fucking bitch since she unashamedly made that comment about Simon Weston.....dry pussed cow!

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-mps-lose-vote-in-bid-to-prevent-future-tory-pm-forcing-through-no-deal/ar-AACMkkN?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

 

YAAAAASSSSS.....get it right fucking up yez you undemocratic spunk stains!!!!!!! Dancer!!!!!

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I hate her, she's a cunt!!! Never liked her, I never watch Sky anyway, I love BBC Breakfast though and BBC News, yes its still Pro remain, but I like the presenters on it and its news rather than showbiz. I've been brought up watching BBC Breakfast since I was a child!!!

Remainer MPs LOSE crucial vote on blocking No Deal by to 309 to 298: Early win for Boris Johnson as rebels FAIL to seize control of Commons timetable to foil hard Brexit - despite help from Speaker Bercow :)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7131891/Remainer-MPs-stage-crunch-vote-TODAY-block-No-Deal-Brexit.html

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20 minutes ago, boro_boy said:

I hate her, she's a cunt!!! Never liked her, I never watch Sky anyway, I love BBC Breakfast though and BBC News, yes its still Pro remain, but I like the presenters on it and its news rather than showbiz. I've been brought up watching BBC Breakfast since I was a child!!!

I dedicate this song to Kay Burley

 

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4 minutes ago, boro_boy said:

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Whos Fav? I prefer decimal odd., I'm guessing and hoping Boris is. 

These odds show Boris as odds on jolly. Esther McVey would be a good tit ride all the same...

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14 minutes ago, Harold said:

These odds show Boris as odds on jolly. Esther McVey would be a good tit ride all the same...

Surprised she's 51,deffo get it

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18 minutes ago, Normski said:

Surprised she's 51,deffo get it

What do you mean you'd definitely kick her in her stinking cunt?

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23 minutes ago, boro_boy said:

What do you mean you'd definitely kick her in her stinking cunt?

What's Esther done?

She wants to leave with no deal and will kick all of the remainers out of the cabinet according to her manifesto.

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2 minutes ago, The Guv'nor said:

What's Esther done?

She wants to leave with no deal and will kick all of the remainers out of the cabinet according to her manifesto.

I don't know, I know nothing about her :) I thought she was a reaminer for some reason. I've not been keeping up with the news lately. If she wants to leave with No Deal she has my vote, and she now has a Designer Vagina :) .

Just now, The Realist said:

So MP's today have voted against Labour's bill to block a no deal brexit.GIRFUY Corbyn.

The MPs are all over the place, a month or so ago they were voting against a no deal!!!! Something isn't right here. These cunts are in it for themselves. This has more to do with their future than Brexit, they are just saying stuff to get votes, but I guess its always been like this. MPs are dodgy, they never answer questions properly. 

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1 minute ago, boro_boy said:

I don't know, I know nothing about her :) I thought she was a reaminer for some reason. I've not been keeping up with the news lately. If she wants to leave with No Deal she has my vote, and she now has a Designer Vagina :) .

She is the most anti EU candidate running for PM.

I don't think she even wants to negotiate with the EU. She will just walk away and fire anyone who doesn't support her. 

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1 minute ago, The Guv'nor said:

She is the most anti EU candidate running for PM.

I don't think she even wants to negotiate with the EU. She will just walk away and fire anyone who doesn't support her. 

Oh well i'd choose her over Boris then, i'm going to have to have a look at all these candidates. It doesn't really matter as the public has no vote on who becomes the new PM. 

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3 minutes ago, boro_boy said:

 

The MPs are all over the place, a month or so ago they were voting against a no deal!!!! Something isn't right here. These cunts are in it for themselves. This has more to do with their future than Brexit, they are just saying stuff to get votes, but I guess its always been like this. MPs are dodgy, they never answer questions properly. 

The recent elections and the success of Farage's Brexit party, has given them food for thought. Then we had the dodgy law breaking Peterborough MP, who denied driving charges and was proven to be lying, ousted from her seat, Brexit party won the By election. The public have no faith in the 2 mainstream parties nowadays, and the recent votes prove it. Maybe they are realising they cannot through MSM, spout their shite anymore, and we the little people have a weapon of our own called social media.

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40 minutes ago, boro_boy said:

What do you mean you'd definitely kick her in her stinking cunt?

I sould say it's sweet smelling and ready for some loving

7 minutes ago, The Realist said:

The recent elections and the success of Farage's Brexit party, has given them food for thought. Then we had the dodgy law breaking Peterborough MP, who denied driving charges and was proven to be lying, ousted from her seat, Brexit party won the By election. The public have no faith in the 2 mainstream parties nowadays, and the recent votes prove it. Maybe they are realising they cannot through MSM, spout their shite anymore, and we the little people have a weapon of our own called social media.

Brexit Party didn't win it tho they were cheated out of it by all accounts

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3 hours ago, Normski said:

This fucker bangs on about climate change

 

They are all hypocritical cunts Norm.

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Noel Gallagher told us what he thinks of Brexit, Jeremy Corbyn, Nigel Farage, his brother Liam and Morrissey. He didn't hold back

There's only f***ing one thing worse than a fool who voted for Brexit. That's the rise of the c*** trying to get the vote overturned."

"You take part in a democratic f***ing process - if you don't like the outcome, go to North Korea", he goes on.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/noel-gallagher-interview-oasis-brexit-16419197.amp?__twitter_impression=true

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